36' Apache X's, what do you have?
 

For all that have a 36' Apache, would you mind telling me what your X-Dimension is?

I need one of the two; 1) depth of the propshaft below the hull. 2) The measurement from the crankshaft centerline (preferred) to the bottom of the boat.

I'm doing a little research, thanks in advance!

Panther

You should be trying to figure out how to fit a third engine back there while your at it.:evilb:

A 3rd engine is the last thing I need....I have enough stress in my life. :drink:

You get the Exxon Valdese' oil leaks fixed yet? :eek:

TTT...can anyone measure there X for me?

Mine is at the shop but I should be pickin her up this week and will measure. I have bravos, however, not sure if that will be of any help to you.

You have bravos?? What hp are you running?

415 per side. She is probably the most stock 36' that ever came out of Fort Apache. I want to eventually repower but I am enjoying her for now because it has so few hours on the 502 EFI's. I put over 80 hours on it this season and am only at 250 total hours.

It actually runs surprisingly well with the mild/reliable power. WOT was 67.1 on a handheld the day I checked (that was with me, my wife, the kiddo, and 110-130 gallons of fuel (( cooler temps though with low humidity)). Cruise is what matters to us and 3,000 rpms is about 38-40mph depending on trim and 3600 rpms is 48-50mphish. We rarely run over 4,000 rpms which puts us @ 53-55mph. 99.9% of our boating is between 3 and 4,000 rpms.

I actually think there are a few 36's that have bravos. Maybe Roger's old 36? and Tony Montana's? When I was boat shopping there was one for sale in Florida that had bravos on 600's and I ran the other way those things were just asking to pop once the beast took flight.

Not to get off topic on panthers measurement here but I just wasn't sure if he cared what the X was on a piddelly little bravo and whether it has any relevance to his project.

Thanks for mentioning that, I should have been clear.

I run the BMax drives so I am looking for X dimension info on 36's with Bravo's.

I have bravo 1 on mine. Not sure on x? Have a link on exactly how to measure it? Also what props is everyone w/36 running? Does the bow want to ride high on yours? I notice I have to run a lot of tab to keep it down.

I'm new to this as far as what exactly it is I'm measuring. I realize I am measuring from the bottom of the boat down to something. Is it like the center of th prop where the shaft is or what exactly? Pardon my ignorance.

As far as props go I am running 24 pitch 4 blade bravo ones and my slip is somewhere in the 12% area (I am gonna lab but wonder if I should bump up to 26). I rarely run any tab other than level. If it is at night I have to use tabs to keep my speed under the 30 mph speed limit while planed out.

I have to be running at least 2500 rpms to be planed out with out the bow coming all the way up. I have found the faster I go the more level she is. At WOT I can trim clear out and it almost seem like the bow is down slightly. I'll see if I can find a pic with no tab.

Panther once again sorry for the hijacking I will measure for you as soon as I pick her up. If you need it sooner than later I can call over there and get a jabrony to give me the measurement as well.

The pic with the boat load of people would be @ about 3500 Rpms and the further away pic with just me is more like 3,000rpms. Level tab in each photo. I usually use a little tab if the wind is causing me to list or if it is really rough, but that doesn't happen that often @ LOTO if you are in an Apache.

Here's a few pictures of how I measured....not the most accurate but for what I need the info for it's close enough.

Straight edge on the bottom of the boat, gimbal bearing tool installed and measure from the straight edge to the center of the tool. Measurements should be between 14-16"

If you measure the propshaft just put the drives in the down position, use the straight edge and measure the distance from the top of the straight edge to the center of the propshaft. Sorry, no pics on that one. :angry-smiley-038:

As far as drives and tabs...for normal cruising my boat likes tabs around 4 (neutral) and drives about 2.5 - 3 in calm water. Rougher water the drives are usually 2-2.5 and tabs down further depending on how big it is. Running hard in calm water, drives to 5-7, tabs 2. There aren't hard numbers, just kinda round about....I drive the boat by "feel" not by the numbers.:drink:

Oh yeah....props.. I'm also running Bravo 1's....

When I had 1.5 ratio drives I was spinning 32" Bravo 1's, now with the 1.30 BMax drives I run 26" Bravo ones...

The gear ratio difference made a big difference in prop size.


Thanks in advance for the info on your X Dimensions!:cool-smiley-011:

Are you running 3 blades or 4 blades?

Good Illustration, I'll post the measurements as soon as I pick up the boat.

Yeah, I think you're right, Roger's boat did have Bravo's.

Just curious on how much HP you had in her. Nice pics you posted.

Sorry for the thread drift Panther.

Thanks!

You can also measure from the bottom of the transom assembly (behind the mercathode - where it meets the transom) down to the bottom of the boat.

Baywatch... I'm sitting here thinking to myself... WOW the inside of his transom looks a lot less cluttered with hoses and chit than mine....where did they hide them all..... :readinghelp:

I was about to ask you to email me some high rez pics of the engine compartment so I could see where it was all hiding. Then I noticed the picture of your transom and saw that you don't have external steering and it dawned on me that you have a lot less hydraulic hoses back there... :eureka:

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Frank, I finally picked the boat up tonight and attempted to measure. I came up with 8 1/2" from the running surface to the center of the prop shaft. The running surface seems almost exactly the same elevation as the furthest point back on the cavitation plate ( where the drive showers are drilled through) when drives are trimmed all the way down.

I will double check tomorrow when it isn't dark and isn't raining on me

Thanks a lot for checking!

That could be months from now! :D

Spittin Snow flakes and windy as hell at the moment. I just measured again and came up with 8 1/2 again. If you want me to shoot some pics level at the running surface I can do that as well.

I was gonna measuring everthing up for my Guages today but I guess I will wait until the weekend when it is supposed to be mid 50's and sunny.

Good luck on your project Frank I am curious to see what you come up with. I was thinking that at some point I might repower and do diesels with b-maxs if the Diesel's will fit. That is severall years out, and for now I will enjoy my mild/reliable power.

sure, pics would be great!!!

Thanks again for your help! Not sure what I'm doing at the moment, just research for now. ;)

Here ya go. As you can see the Cavitation plate is on plane with the boat bottom. Hopefully this helps and sorry it took me so long to get it measured up for ya.