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007joe 05-30-2008 05:56 PM

apache 28 info
 
always hearing about these boats.... are they that good in rough water? is it because of their weight or why are they that good? and how come it seems everyone says their expensive to mantain.... are'nt all boats? just curious, and have been looking at them.... i have a 260 velocity and was curious about the difference in ride...
thanks :drink:

Chris Sunkin 05-30-2008 10:02 PM

Yes, they're everything you've heard they are. The 28 isn't all that different to maintain than any larger offshore boat. The big one's take TONS of power and that's hard on parts. You also don't see them rigged with mid-range parts so when you redo one or repair it, you're buying top of the line. There's absolutely no comparison between the Velocity and the Apacjhe. I had a 30 Velocity raceboat and I can tell you there's no way it would hang with the 28 in anything over 4's and 5's. The 28 Apache isn't light and it's got a very long bottom- it rides and mashes water as well as most 35's.

007joe 05-31-2008 11:32 AM

on a 41' i can see that but even with the 28's? i see they weigh a solid 7,000 lbs...

cosmic12 05-31-2008 12:09 PM

It is not possible to compare 26 Vo, to a 28 Ap. Totaly different boats the Apache will crush the bigger water and the Velocity will be crushed, end of story.

Chris Sunkin 05-31-2008 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by 007joe (Post 2575466)
on a 41' i can see that but even with the 28's? i see they weigh a solid 7,000 lbs...

Most are heavier than that. Mine was 8500 wet. It's more than mass- you have to look at the bottom profile out of the water to really appreciate how much there is under there.

I've run the 28 at speed next to boats in the 35' range and gave away little if anything in sloppy water. There's little out there at 28' that'll keep up in the slop- Something like a Fountain 35? No contest.

TexomaPowerboater 06-02-2008 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by 007joe (Post 2574900)
always hearing about these boats.... are they that good in rough water? is it because of their weight or why are they that good? and how come it seems everyone says their expensive to mantain.... are'nt all boats? just curious, and have been looking at them.... i have a 260 velocity and was curious about the difference in ride...
thanks :drink:

Yes they are that good in the rough. You don't have to get on top of the waves. It rides good in the rough at all speeds. There is no comparison with a 26 velocity. Not sure why it rides so good in the rough, if people knew why then surely they would have tried to replicate it by know. Mine weighs 7000lbs. They are not that expensive to maintain, the 41's are. Suprisingly the 28 does not consume much more gas than my single engine 24 python did. The apache also has one of, if not the roomiest cabin for a 28. Lots of headroom and very comfortable. I consider it more of a family boat rather than a racer. Everytime I've had it out somebody has fallen asleep in the back seat. I guess I need to turn it up a notch.

007joe 06-02-2008 02:34 PM

what motors in your yours tex?
i may be looking into one of these just dont know when and thanx for the info...

el indio 06-02-2008 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by 007joe (Post 2575466)
on a 41' i can see that but even with the 28's? i see they weigh a solid 7,000 lbs...

i have a 41 that weighs 8600 with fuel...fresh from the propnut to the waterpump....0 hours.........make me a fair offer.........m.m..

007joe 06-02-2008 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2577275)
i have a 41 that weighs 8600 with fuel...fresh from the propnut to the waterpump....0 hours.........make me a fair offer.........m.m..

i cant afford a fair offer on a 41 but i could make you a low offer....:party-smiley-004:

TexomaPowerboater 06-02-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 007joe (Post 2577247)
what motors in your yours tex?
i may be looking into one of these just dont know when and thanx for the info...

Motors where originally twin merc 454 365hp er 385 (don't know which). They were rebuilt and bumped up to 460hp a piece. Supposed to run upper 70's, but have not topped it out yet. Spent $220 driving 3-4 hours. Could have easily gotten two weekends out of the same $220. I usually cruise at 35-50mph, with short blast. Tank is 125 gallons, may use 1/4 each weekend.

Engine compartment is bigger than 28AT and Pantera, or so it looks that way. Don't know the exact measurements. I'll post a pic when I get home. Give me a shout when your ready to buy. Kids and house are in my near future, so unless I get a big raise something may have to give.

BY U BOY 06-02-2008 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2577342)
Motors where originally twin merc 454 365hp er 385 (don't know which). They were rebuilt and bumped up to 460hp a piece. Supposed to run upper 70's, but have not topped it out yet. Spent $220 driving 3-4 hours. Could have easily gotten two weekends out of the same $220. I usually cruise at 35-50mph, with short blast. Tank is 125 gallons, may use 1/4 each weekend.

Engine compartment is bigger than 28AT and Pantera, or so it looks that way. Don't know the exact measurements. I'll post a pic when I get home. Give me a shout when your ready to buy. Kids and house are in my near future, so unless I get a big raise something may have to give.

If i take that job in Saudi I'll take her off your hands in about 8 months:D but you have to do my taxes as part of the deal:evilb:

TexomaPowerboater 06-02-2008 04:47 PM

Lol..

007joe 06-02-2008 05:49 PM

tex, how fast have you gotten her?...

Chris Sunkin 06-02-2008 06:39 PM

If you're worried about top speed and drag racing, the Apache isn't for you. It'll take more horses to get it to a given speed than just about anything out there. On the other hand, if you aren't a pond boater and you like to run in open water, no other boat in that size range will be passing you on most days (slipping into my best T2x voice imitation) "...'cause there's nobody else out here, folks". It's an offshore boat in a world where bragging rights are won and lost on ponds and bays.

007joe 06-02-2008 07:23 PM

not at all concerned at top speeds... just curious... under good conditions i'm rarely over mid 50's... just when it gets a little rough my ride is tough.... and i'm rarely over 40 in those conditions (unless i'm just being a wus).... i would like something that can comfortably cruise in the upper 40's lower 50's in some decent water....

Chris Sunkin 06-02-2008 08:20 PM

The 28 will run 50mph in water that would frighten you in the Velocity. Someone could sit on the rear bench and drink a can of soda while you were doing it.

007joe 06-02-2008 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2577682)
The 28 will run 50mph in water that would frighten you in the Velocity. Someone could sit on the rear bench and drink a can of soda while you were doing it.

i gotta get on one this summer and see....

TexomaPowerboater 06-02-2008 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by 007joe (Post 2577623)
not at all concerned at top speeds... just curious... under good conditions i'm rarely over mid 50's... just when it gets a little rough my ride is tough.... and i'm rarely over 40 in those conditions (unless i'm just being a wus).... i would like something that can comfortably cruise in the upper 40's lower 50's in some decent water....

I've got to get a satellite for the GPS, but I wanna say I've had it up to atleast 60-65 in 15-20mph wind with 3-4ft white caps. Galloped like a horse. Cruises comfortably at all speeds. Over the holiday had it out in 10-15mph winds plus heavy lake traffic. More like washing machine rough with waves from all directions. Thats when it got really fun. Had 7 people so I kept is slow. Felt like a little boy playing in the waves. Never had so much fun in the rough. Got a little air time and it was very well balanced.

My 24 python ran great in the rough, but not till it got up to 50+mph. Sounds like you may just be a wus:D:D. Seriously above 50, that velocity should handle the rough a little better.

Funny last post by sunkin. We were out on a calm day, or atleast what I considered a calm day and saw a 24ft west coast deck boat cruising by at about 15-20 doing everything he could to keep the nose high and the water out. My twin sister fell asleep on the way back with beer in hand and didn't spill a drop.

007joe 06-03-2008 07:19 AM

i've heard that tex.... (and i'm really not a wus)... that faster is better and in some wind and chop it seems to like going faster but when you have a large chop mixed with swells and and chit it gets nasty around here....


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