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Story of Apache lets hear your version
Okay open thread,
You guys can go at it right here. I really know nothing about the original apache company cause I was in the 4th so lets hear it! Chime in! |
Indians! Circle The Wagons.
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Do you ever take anything seriously?
Why do you have to be like that? You claim to know everything about the Apache Powerboat Company from day 1 so lets hear it. Start typing. Found this digging around the net RACER ARRESTED LYNNE DUKE And STEPHEN J. HEDGES Herald Staff Writers International powerboat racing champion and boat builder Benjamin Barry Kramer was ordered held without bond Friday on charges that he ran a criminal enterprise that distributed more than half a million pounds of marijuana nationwide. In a two-count federal indictment handed up in Southern Illinois, Kramer, 33, was charged with running a continuing criminal enterprise in at least 11 states, including Florida, between 1980 and June of this year. That charge carries a maximum penalty of life in prison. Kramer also was accused of conspiracy to distribute marijuana. The Illinois indictment claims that Kramer distributed at least four large marijuana shipments, worth $305 million wholesale, in New York, San Francisco and New Orleans between 1983 and 1986. Friday afternoon, federal agents swarmed into Kramer's Fort Apache Marina, 3025 NE 188th St., sealing it off until they can determine who owns the nearly 200 boats stored there. Kramer's property will be seized under a sealed warrant issued Friday. Agents also seized the property at Fort Apache Marine, at 2800 N. 30th Ave., Hollywood, a boat repair facility where the molds for Kramer's high-powered offshore boats are stored. Kramer was arrested Thursday at his Williams Island residence as he prepared to leave for a powerboat race in Bay City, Mich. His boat, named Apache, was seized in Bay City. Kramer appeared before U.S. Magistrate William Turnoff Friday, who ordered him held until a bond hearing Monday. "We consider him to be an extreme risk of flight," assistant U.S. attorney Dan Cassidy said. "We consider him to be an extreme danger to the community." Kramer, convicted of marijuana smuggling in 1978, will be tried in Benton, Ill. Known as a brash and impatient man and a superb skipper, Kramer rose to powerboat prominence while associated with Robert Saccenti, a boat builder and the protege of the late Don Aronow. Kramer and Saccenti won the 1986 United States Open Class Offshore Powerboat Racing Championship and the 1984 world title. Aronow was gunned down Feb. 3 just after visiting Kramer and Saccenti's Apache Performance Boats. Aronow's own company, USA Racing Team, is nearby. Kramer's lawyers said their client was not involved in Aronow's death, which is unsolved. "There's no indication that I received whatever that he's involved in the Aronow case," attorney David Bogunschutz said. Lt. Jerry Burgin of the Metro-Dade police homicide unit said he could not comment on who is or isn't a suspect. FBI agents in Illinois came across Kramer's alleged smuggling operation while on the trail of race car driver Randy Lanier of Davie. Now a fugitive, Lanier failed to appear in court after his Jan. 23 indictment on a marijuana smuggling charge. Lanier is one of several unindicted co-conspirators in the Kramer indictment. At the time of his arrest, Kramer was under investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration, Internal Revenue Service and New Scotland Yard. Dubbed Operation Man, the investigation has targeted marijuana smuggling and money laundering schemes in Britain's Isle of Man, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the tiny European principality of Liechtenstein. The Illinois indictment returned Wednesday pressed DEA and IRS agents into action, DEA spokesman Jack Hook said. When agents learned that Kramer's associates were liquidating his assets -- estimated at $15 million -- they moved to seize them, Hook said. Most of the vessels at Fort Apache Marina are owned by boaters who pay monthly storage fees. Agents began an inventory Friday, telling owners their boats would have to stay ashore until at least noon Monday. One owner, Andrea Pardes, was miffed that her weekend of boating was ruined. "This is real cute, you know that?" she said. "Just wait till the innocent victims can't get their boats." Kramer purchased the property for his marina with the help of Don Whittington, a Broward race car driver who pleaded guilty last year to drug and tax evasion charges, Hook said. Whittington helped Kramer negotiate for the purchase, he said. The Fort Apache Marina, which has slips and dry storage for about 200 boats, was built with $3.6 million from Kramer's smuggling operation, Hook said. He allegedly hid his company's ownership behind shell companies, Hook said. Kramer allegedly set himself up as the renter of Fort Apache Marina and, Hook said, and then paid himself $60,000 a month rent. Saccenti, Kramer's partner, could not be reached for comment. Paul Teresi, the agent in charge of the DEA's Fort Lauderdale office, said, "Our information does not indicate that he is associated with this particular block that we are seizing." Apache Performance Boats, located at 3161 NE 188th St, was not seized. Kramer's father Jack speculated his son's arrest was meant to put the squeeze on someone else. "This is from something that happened back in 1978 and 1979," Jack Kramer said. "I don't know why they've done this." Operation Man has resulted in 15 indictments thus far, Teresi said, including that of Elton Gissendanner, the former director of the Florida Department of Natural Resources. Gissendanner was indicted June 22 on an extortion charge that claims he accepted $80,000 from a convicted smuggler in exchange for recommending that convict receive probation. Gissendanner pleaded not guilty. DEA agent Teresi said the Kramer investigation is continuing. BEN KRAMER: BOAT CHAMP, LIFESAVER IS REIGNING U.S. open class offshore powerboat champion, winning the title last September in a race that began at Government Cut off Miami Beach. SAVED throttleman Bob Saccenti's life after a crash Sept. 9 in Rochester, N.Y., that nearly killed Kramer himself. WON the 1984 offshore powerboat open class world championship. IN MAY 1986, he helped save Hollywood restaurateur Joe Sonken, whose car plunged off a dock into the Intracoastal Waterway near the Gold Coast Restaurant. Kramer and a restaurant bartender dived into the water and freed Sonken from his car, pulling him to shore. Miami Herald September 26, 1996 BOAT RACER TAKES PLEA IN KILLING RIVAL WAS SLAIN IN '87 MANNY GARCIA Herald Staff Writer JUST IN CASE: Metro-Dade police closed off half of the courthouse's second floor and used SWAT teams as Ben Kramer, who once tried to escape prison, pleaded no contest to killing Don Aronow. Benjamin Barry Kramer, who once owned a $150 million casino, USA Racing and Apache Powerboats, and jet-setted the globe with champagne and women, pleaded no contest Wednesday to the 1987 murder of his rival, power boat king Don Aronow. Kramer, 41, already serving a life sentence on a federal conviction, was sentenced by Dade Circuit Judge Michael B. Chavies to 19 years for killing Aronow. The sentences will run together. Kramer appeared in court wearing an aqua-and-orange, cotton-blend Miami Dolphins jump suit -- his favorite team. His ankles were shackled. A chain tied to his handcuffs and wrapped around his waist was secured with a Master padlock. He occasionally glared across the courtroom at Dade prosecutors Gary Winston and Penny Brill, who alleged that Kramer ordered Aronow killed nine years ago in a business dispute. Aronow, 59, the millionaire guru of the powerboat set, was gunned down outside his USA Racing office in Northeast Dade. Metro-Dade homicide detectives pursued the ambush slaying for six years, interviewing terrified witnesses, discreet mistresses and mobsters, dopers, spies and snitches. In 1993, prosecutors indicted Kramer and Robert ``Bobby'' Young, the alleged hit man, on first-degree murder charges. But the case soon soured. Young refused to turn snitch. Last year, prosecutors let him plead no contest to the hit, a $60,000 job long considered one of the most sensational murders in South Florida. He received 19 years. The state's key witnesses against Kramer were Melvin Kessler, a defrocked attorney and convicted money launderer, and two jail-house snitches, who would have testified that Kramer implicated himself. ``Time hurt us,'' Winston said Wednesday. ``The murder happened in '87. Our case was always built upon snitches, phone conversations and these links weaken over time.'' A sure sign the state was in trouble: Prosecutors recently waived the death penalty against Kramer. ``Robert Young pleaded and he is the acknowledged killer,'' Winston said. Defense lawyers Jose Quinon and Kenneth Kukec said their client remains innocent despite the plea. ``It was a plea of convenience,'' Quinon said. ``This is his way of getting out of this jail. He was housed like an animal.'' Kramer's notoriety contributed to his problems. In 1990, he tried to escape by helicopter from the Federal Correctional Institution in South Dade. The spectacular jail break went awry when the helicopter that plucked him from an athletic field snagged on a fence and crashed. Because of the escape attempt, every time he was walked from jail to the Metro Justice Building, SWAT officers and police dogs scoured the courthouse for bombs, weapons and other devices. ``The conditions are horrible,'' said Kramer, who found some solace in being a frequent contributor to the jail's television sports show. Donald Manning, Dade's jail director, had no sympathy for Kramer. ``This is a dangerous individual,'' he said. Wednesday, March 12, 2008 |
Originally Posted by el indio
(Post 2901721)
Indians! Circle The Wagons.
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Originally Posted by Jayl13
(Post 2901754)
I would love to know the history of my boat but I have no way of finding out anything unless any of you know anything about it.
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Jay, wasn't your boat originally from Hewlett, NY?
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It depends which rose colored glasses you're looking thru so it's not even worth going into cause there's no room for truth on the internet.. ;)
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it started many many moons ago, founded by chief goforboatride, 1st model was the birch bark 12, power was 2 injuns pushing labbed 0 pitch oars...
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Ummm
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...er-apache.html Post #3 in the above thread pretty much sums it up. |
Needs a little music when you read it to really set the mood! LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKaJmd2HPFo |
Originally Posted by Jayl13
(Post 2901754)
Do you ever take anything seriously?
Why do you have to be like that? You claim to know everything about the Apache Powerboat Company from day 1 so lets hear it. Start typing. When was it founded, Who started it, when was it sold to Kramer, then when was it sold back to Don? Or is that not how the story goes? What about the government contracts that Don had and when Kramer bought it, the Government said they dont do business with convicted people so the contracts when to Don somewhere else then I heard Kramer sold the company at a big loss back to Don. Is that part true? What was the first year Apache was in business? Where does Bob S come into this? Where does Eric and Mark come in? When did all the assets get seized by the government and what entitled Mark McMannus to these assets? Or did he just persue them and buy them back from the government? Its an interesting story and I would like to hear how it went and what years were what and how many of these boats actually smuggled drugs into the Miami river? I always wondered if my boat had anything of a history to it but it seems not a soul alive knows anything about my boat and its always never mentioned on any threads or anything like a bastard child or something. I would love to know the history of my boat but I have no way of finding out anything unless any of you know anything about it. EVERYTHING HAS A FUNNY SIDE. IT HAS BEEN SO LONG AGO THAT SO FEW PEOPLE KNOW ANY OF IT ANYMORE. ALL SECOND HAND NEWS. I SUGGEST YOUALL COME UP WITH YOUR OWN VERSION, THAT WILL KEEP THE INTREST. I HAVE BEEN A FRIEND OF BOBS FOR MANY YEARS. HE STARTED IT WITH A SQUADRON 38. APACHE BOB. NO BEN NO MCMANNUS. THERE WERE OTHER PLAYERS THAT WILL REMAIN NAMELESS. APACHE WAS BORN ON 17TH AVE MIAMI NOT 188TH ST. THIS IS BORING CYA. APACHE IS HISTORY. ADIOS APACHE. M.M. |
Here's my version.. I found Wikipedia to be really helpful! :party-smiley-004:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache Apache is the collective term for several culturally related groups of Native Americans in the United States originally from the American Southwest. These indigenous peoples of North America speak a Southern Athabaskan (Apachean) language, and are related linguistically to the languages of Athabaskan speakers of Alaska and western Canada. The modern term Apache excludes the related Navajo people. However, the Navajo and the other Apache groups are clearly related through culture and language and thus are considered Apachean. Apachean peoples formerly ranged over eastern Arizona, northwestern Mexico, New Mexico, and parts of Texas and the Great Plains. There was little political unity among the Apachean groups. The groups spoke seven different languages. The current division of Apachean groups includes the Navajo, Western Apache, Chiricahua, Mescalero, Jicarilla, Lipan, and Plains Apache (formerly Kiowa-Apache). Apache groups are now in Oklahoma and Texas and on reservations in Arizona and New Mexico. Many Navajo reside on a 16,000,000-acre (65,000 km2) reservation in the Four Corners region of the United States. Some Apacheans have moved to large metropolitan areas, such as New York City. The largest Apache urban communities are Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Phoenix, Denver, San Diego and Los Angeles.[citation needed] Some Apacheans were employed in migrant farm labor to be relocated to agricultural regions of Southern California like the Coachella, Imperial and Colorado River valleys, where now tens of thousands of Apacheans live. The Apachean tribes were historically very powerful, constantly at enmity with the Spaniards and Mexicans for centuries. The first Apache raids on Sonora appear to have taken place during the late 17th century. The U.S. Army, in their various confrontations, found them to be fierce warriors and skillful strategists.[1] The warfare between Apachean peoples and Euro-Americans has led to a stereotypical focus on certain aspects of Apachean cultures that are often distorted through misperception as noted by anthropologist Keith Basso: "Of the hundreds of peoples that lived and flourished in native North America, few have been so consistently misrepresented as the Apacheans of Arizona and New Mexico. Glorified by novelists, sensationalized by historians, and distorted beyond credulity by commercial film makers, the popular image of 'the Apache' — a brutish, terrifying semihuman bent upon wanton death and destruction — is almost entirely a product of irresponsible caricature and exaggeration. Indeed, there can be little doubt that the Apache has been transformed from a native American into an American legend, the fanciful and fallacious creation of a non-Indian citizenry whose inability to recognize the massive treachery of ethnic and cultural stereotypes has been matched only by its willingness to sustain and inflate them." |
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Originally Posted by el indio
(Post 2902487)
EVERYTHING HAS A FUNNY SIDE. IT HAS BEEN SO LONG AGO THAT SO FEW PEOPLE KNOW ANY OF IT ANYMORE. ALL SECOND HAND NEWS. I SUGGEST YOUALL COME UP WITH YOUR OWN VERSION, THAT WILL KEEP THE INTREST. I HAVE BEEN A FRIEND OF BOBS FOR MANY YEARS. HE STARTED IT WITH A SQUADRON 38. APACHE BOB.
NO BEN NO MCMANNUS. THERE WERE OTHER PLAYERS THAT WILL REMAIN NAMELESS. APACHE WAS BORN ON 17TH AVE MIAMI NOT 188TH ST. THIS IS BORING CYA. APACHE IS HISTORY. ADIOS APACHE. M.M. |
Originally Posted by Stormrider
(Post 2901870)
Jay, wasn't your boat originally from Hewlett, NY?
I was hoping SOMEONE knew SOMETHING about my 41 It is always excluded from all conversations and such because im guessing no one knows anything aboutit.t Gail says she did not paint it, doesnotknow who did, no one knows who owned it, no one knows what its original name was (says WIND ARROW embroidered on the dash but dont know who put that there or how old that name is) Totally clueless as to the origins of this 41 Thanks J |
Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 2902199)
it started many many moons ago, founded by chief goforboatride, 1st model was the birch bark 12, power was 2 injuns pushing labbed 0 pitch oars...
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Originally Posted by Jayl13
(Post 2904393)
I have NO clue at all
I was hoping SOMEONE knew SOMETHING about my 41 It is always excluded from all conversations and such because im guessing no one knows anything aboutit.t Gail says she did not paint it, doesnotknow who did, no one knows who owned it, no one knows what its original name was (says WIND ARROW embroidered on the dash but dont know who put that there or how old that name is) Totally clueless as to the origins of this 41 Thanks J I also remember seeing a classified ad for it which included spare long-blocks. McManus should have info on your boat. Did you ask Ed (Comanche3six) the resident Apache expert? He's doing so much PR he ought to get his boat rigged for free by Apache.. lol |
Originally Posted by Panther
(Post 2904683)
I saw your boat at Liberty Landing one year... I believe it was for one of the SBI races or the NYC Poker run... It was a long time ago so I can't remember exactly.
I also remember seeing a classified ad for it which included spare long-blocks. McManus should have info on your boat. Did you ask Ed (Comanche3six) the resident Apache expert? He's doing so much PR he ought to get his boat rigged for free by Apache.. lol Well I was told it was down here in Palm beach now that being said about 90 % of the people down here in Palm Beach ARE from NY so that very well could be true. Cozzi said its a KV and CF boat, Estimated weight dry with nothing on it the way it sits is around 10500-11K which is way lighter than most of the 41's out there Now without weighing it thats only a guess but Cozzi has done so many of these I will give him a huge benefit of the doubt. He told me its a wolf in sheeps clothing. I am going to build my engines to look just like these http://www.theblowershop.com/user_ri...01ed6c7acf.jpg J |
I'd agree with Cozzi on the weight assessment... Not being a full-pleasure model and not having the full cabin liner should have saved you a few thousand lbs!!
Hey, for a point of reference... Some years ago when I was still working at the marina, I pulled our friends 41' with the travel lift and the needles were somewhere around 13-14K lbs.. It was a full pleasure with half stagger, 572's on #3's. When I saw your boat up in NYC I didn't have my 36' yet so I was there on the Panther. I bumped into the owner and said hello but he wasn't very polite and acted like a typical NY wise guy.... :( It looked great sitting at the dock though! :) |
well these knuckle heads that I bought it from used a razor blade and were scraping off the imron paint and "shaved" the surface back to white
I am going to paint the entire boat cadillac Pearl white with the Interlux Perfection base epoxy enamel and PPG Concept clear with a TON of the pearl powders I get from my art store and HOK. Ill take and dump a few bottles of the powder into a gallon of clear and shoot the boat with 4 thin layers of powderd irridecent clear then 3 medium layers of just clear Then the graphics will go on over the clear then the boat will get cleared again over the graphics without any powder in it at all. She will shine and have that DEEP paint look! J |
Originally Posted by Jayl13
(Post 2904779)
well these knuckle heads that I bought it from used a razor blade and were scraping off the imron paint and "shaved" the surface back to white
I am going to paint the entire boat cadillac Pearl white with the Interlux Perfection base epoxy enamel and PPG Concept clear with a TON of the pearl powders I get from my art store and HOK. Ill take and dump a few bottles of the powder into a gallon of clear and shoot the boat with 4 thin layers of powderd irridecent clear then 3 medium layers of just clear Then the graphics will go on over the clear then the boat will get cleared again over the graphics without any powder in it at all. She will shine and have that DEEP paint look! J |
painted my baja
Have come a LONG way with my painting skills since then though and have invested in a LOT of new guns and airbrushes and compressors and such,Hell I airbrush everything I can get my hands on, hell I airbrushed my engine block and heads in my 1977 trans am Not many people airbrush engine blocks but I sure as hell do! Here is a link to some of the work I have done recently http://www.speedwake.com/upload/show...0&pagenumber=1 If you care to see it, if not no biggie. J |
Good job Jay!
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Thanks,
Its all about practice, the more you do the better you get. learn as you go. |
BOB,BEN & BOB, then BEN , BOB >>>> and now evrybody wants one .
MY STORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!! REAL DEAL ( APACHE POWERBOATS ) not performance boats and not Mc manus !!! HEYHAHOAHEYHAOHA :flag: |
call mcmanus he will tell u about your boat
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Apache story - well, I'll give it a shot based on what I read here on OSO.
First, there was this guy, see, and he got together with these other guys, and they built this boat that was based on the design for this other boat, but kind of not like that other boat, and they raced it and did really well with it. And then the guy (not the other guy but the other other guy) maybe sold some of the boats to these other guys that didn't race them but did drive them fast (wink wink) and it was a bad thing but everyone did it back in the day, kind of like wearing leisure suits and dancing to the Staying Alive soundtrack. Then one of the guys had a disagreement with the other guy and paid some guy to have the other guy knocked off but it was never proven but the guy went to jail, where he remains to this very day. Next, one of the guys started a new company not Apache but building Apaches that weren't Apaches they were Comanches but both tribes were from the southwest not Florida but I digress. So this guy is building boats that aren't Apaches but maybe are. Then some guy in Michigan builds some boats that aren't Apaches or Commanches in fact they are not "ches" at all they are Sabers (maybe Saberche but the che was inadvertently left off?). Finally some other guy named Ted (correction, Thad - thanks Roger1) started to build Apaches but turns out he did not have the rights or wrongs to build an Apache or a Comanche or any kind of che for that matter - it was truly deep kim-chi at that point (but the boats were not Oriental, they were American, dammit!). Jayl13 moved to Florida to help after his deeply moving and poignant publishing of "THE BAJA CHRONICLES: An Exposition on Insanity Set on an Old Cheap Performance Boat (subtitle - I shoulda got a survey!)" Then these other guys started building a new boat only it was not new it was old or maybe only half old but it did involve one of the original guys but not the one in jail or the dead one so it was kinda sorta a "real" Apache even though the "che" was on the front of the name not the back and there was an "i" and an "f" involved as well. The crew included Stinson who was worldwide in Indiana or Pennsylvania I think. Boatme was involved and was not running a fun poker run at the time, and MitcherT was going to paint them even though it was a not-Apache Chief instead of a Sunsation. Then lots of drama and soap opera started and the boat was new or not new and it was good or bad and then it was finally delivered and it was banged up. Add more drama, boat got fixed, then went up for sale. (during this time the maybe real Apache Commanches were still built in Florida, sometimes, it was hard to tell). The new Chief was for sale for a long time and then maybe it sold because it was not in the classifieds anymore. Despite all evidence to the contrary, Fred Cecil did not appear to be involved in any of this. Then the interwebs were invented and el indio also known as magnum mark came on to post some incomprehensible stuff that READ LIKE AN ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE TERM PAPER ALL IN CAPS. In between, the internet has confirmed that all 10,423 Apaches ever made in size between 2'6" and 128' are strong enough to replace the Brooklyn Bridge in a pinch and you can run them full throttle at 253 mph through a category 6 hurricane without spilling your drink or mussing your gen-u-wine Don Johnson pastel jacket. I think that about sums it up - did I miss anything? :D :D P.S. Any rumors that Viagra is simply a pill form of the resin used by Apache is completely false. Don't believe everything you read. |
Originally Posted by dockrocker
(Post 2920769)
Apache story - well, I'll give it a shot based on what I read here on OSO.
First, there was this guy, see, and he got together with these other guys, and they built this boat that was based on the design for this other boat, but kind of not like that other boat, and they raced it and did really well with it. And then the guy (not the other guy but the other other guy) maybe sold some of the boats to these other guys that didn't race them but did drive them fast (wink wink) and it was a bad thing but everyone did it back in the day, kind of like wearing leisure suits and dancing to the Staying Alive soundtrack. Then one of the guys had a disagreement with the other guy and paid some guy to have the other guy knocked off but it was never proven but the guy went to jail, where he remains to this very day. Next, one of the guys started a new company not Apache but building Apaches that weren't Apaches they were Comanches but both tribes were from the southwest not Florida but I digress. So this guy is building boats that aren't Apaches but maybe are. Then some guy in Michigan builds some boats that aren't Apaches or Commanches in fact they are not "ches" at all they are Sabers (maybe Saberche but the che was inadvertently left off?). Finally some other guy named Ted(?) started to build Apaches but turns out he did not have the rights or wrongs to build an Apache or a Comanche or any kind of che for that matter - it was truly deep kim-chi at that point (but the boats were not Oriental, they were American, dammit!). Jayl13 moved to Florida to help after his deeply moving and poignant publishing of "THE BAJA CHRONICLES: An Exposition on Insanity Set on an Old Cheap Performance Boat (subtitle - I shoulda got a survey!)" Then these other guys started building a new boat only it was not new it was old or maybe only half old but it did involve one of the original guys but not the one in jail or the dead one so it was kinda sorta a "real" Apache even though the "che" was on the front of the name not the back and there was an "i" and an "f" involved as well. The crew included Stinson who was worldwide in Indiana or Pennsylvania I think. Boatme was involved and was not running a fun poker run at the time, and MitcherT was going to paint them even though it was a not-Apache Chief instead of a Sunsation. Then lots of drama and soap opera started and the boat was new or not new and it was good or bad and then it was finally delivered and it was banged up. Add more drama, boat got fixed, then went up for sale. (during this time the maybe real Apache Commanches were still built in Florida, sometimes, it was hard to tell). The new Chief was for sale for a long time and then maybe it sold because it was not in the classifieds anymore. Despite all evidence to the contrary, Fred Cecil did not appear to be involved in any of this. Then the interwebs were invented and el indio also known as magnum mark came on to post some incomprehensible stuff that READ LIKE AN ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE TERM PAPER ALL IN CAPS. In between, the internet has confirmed that all 10,423 Apaches ever made in size between 2'6" and 128' are strong enough to replace the Brooklyn Bridge in a pinch and you can run them full throttle at 253 mph through a category 6 hurricane without spilling your drink or mussing your gen-u-wine Don Johnson pastel jacket. I think that about sums it up - did I miss anything? :D :D P.S. Any rumors that Viagra is simply a pill form of the resin used by Apache is completely false. Don't believe everything you read. You left out the part about Thad Allen.... Thad Allen and Billy Dalton got into a drinking contest one night at a bar up in Fon du lac Wisconsin where Billy works on a dairy farm. One thing led to another and to make a long story short, Thad was seriously injured in a "cow tipping" accident. Thad, being a city kid, was unfortunately on the wrong side of the cow when Billy, powerfully built from years of hard work on the farm gave ol' Elsie the heave-ho. I don't have any further information as to his condition but I did hear that Billy feels just terrible about the incident. Roger |
Doh! It was "Thad" not "Ted" - I shall edit appropriately! Thanks Roger! :)
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Originally Posted by dockrocker
(Post 2920825)
Doh! It was "Thad" not "Ted" - I shall edit appropriately! Thanks Roger! :)
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I'm telling ya, I'm feeling made-for-TV movie stuff here! This is gold Jerry! Gold!
http://usera.imagecave.com/mikehalford/bania.jpg |
Most important part of the equation... don't believe what you see or hear on the internet because there's no room for truth on the internet... lol
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Lmao,
That is funny CHit right there. |
I forgot to add that it seems the word "Apache" has techno-mystical powers, in that invoking it on the 'net causes us to rehash this same chit every 6 months or so.
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