24' and 28' Apache molds???
 

Anyone know where the molds Eric Froberg was building the 28 and 24 under the Cherokee brand are and if those boats are in production? I was interested in the 24. I talked to Eric way back when and he did produce a new 24 that was sold in Florida. He sent me a brochure pack with pics. Frobergs 24 was a shortened version of the 28, I don't believe it was a larger version of the Scout that I thought I saw some pics on OSO. A google and came up with this info,
MIC: UPI Status: Inactive
Company: CHEROKEE POWERBOATS INC Company Official: ERIC FROBERG
Parent Company: Parent MIC:
Address: 13800 NW 19TH AVE SUITE 16 City: OPA LOCKA
State: FL Zip: 33054
Country: Phone: 3056870277
Fax: In Business: Wednesday, March 30, 1994
Out of Business: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Date Modified: Wednesday, December 26, 2001
Type: Outboards, Open Motorboats, Jon Boats
Inboards, Cabin Cruisers
Additional Address:
Comments: UNLIMITED POWER BOATS ACQUIRED THE MOLD FROM APACHE MARINE (APH) FOR THE 28 FT BOATS. APACHE STILL IN BUSINESS BUT SELLING 36 FT & 42 FT BOATS. SEE (EUN). 960828 NAME CHANGED TO CHEROKEE PER PHONECON W/MANUF. 12/26 2001 OOB PER RNI

From Bob told me Eric borrowed the molds for Cherokee 28. I have only seen 1 24ft, they do look like a smaller version of the 28. Very sharp. I always liked that 1 also. Have you called Bob Saccenti? I would start there.

Apache has them, as in Mark Mc Manus, he recently built a new 28 and it turned out really nice.

He did? Any Pics? Your not talking about the Green one on his website are you? Thats one is from the 90's he redid that one.
I know Mcmanus was the GM of Apache at one time or something like that, but what is his real connection to Apache?

BTW I am not trying to start anything, I am just wondering? I know he had a line similar to APACHE named COMMANCHE. I am younger so i dont know all the in and outs.

Mark was at Apache for the Kramers from the start, the 28 he built is new not the green one.

From what I understand Saccenti started Apache after he raced a Squadron 12 39ft named Apache that Aronow had designed. I heard he brought the Kramers in because of their cash investment.
Greg

All of the 24, 28, and 36 molds were awarded to Mark McManus as a result of the Federal lawsuit against Thad Allen and his Apache LLC debacle. From my recollection, the federal court determined that McManus owned all rights to the Apache trademarks, the molds, and proprietary build processes.

NyKamp knows his stuff. McManus recently built a new 28 with the Merc 377 Scorpion engines and lots of custom features. Preety cool boat.

I'm pretty sure he'll build a 24 for you if you're interested.

Ok that clears up thing a bit, Thank you guys for the info. It makes sense after reading the posts by Thad Allen and his Apache LLC crew. I wonder how the new 28 with twin 377's runs? I have thought about swapping my 502 mags for twin built 406's a couple times. But I wasnt sure how it effect the balance of my boat. Does anyone have pics of the new 28? I am thinking in this economy the 24s and 28s would be homeruns. Again guys thank you for the info, glad it didnt start a siht storm.
Greg

Thad Allen heart was in the right place but his head was off in left field! IMO he should've dropped the lawsuit and Apache name and focused on producing a quality boat. He put together a good team of people and could've finished a quality product. The 41' mold was finished and the one-off 41 was moving forward when the $hi+ hit the fan!!

Didnt Pantera get those molds(Thad Allen 41)? I thought I read somewhere they did. If they did that boat looks awesome. Even though Pantera is going thru some bad times right now, that mold has to be worth something. Maybe we pool our money together and start a new boat company. LOL.

Mark Mc Manus confirmed to me that he does have the molds for the 24, 28 and 36. Thanks for the input from everyone.

I love me some apache history!

Price in 24 w/single I/O? Bet it's way up there...would be a cool boat.

Is this the same 41 hull that Doug at Ckeckmate used for the new 43?

WwW

Thought I remember reading there was 2 41' molds. One got turned into the chief 42' and most recently it became the mold for the checkmate 43'

Isnt these the sizes that strictly Bobby built?..................... I hate to ask more...
Jr.

Saber has the original 41 mold, Mark has a 41 mold, the 24,28,and 36 molds Bobby sold to Thad, which he lost to Mark. The Chief stuff is Bobby's work, 41/42 with a 36 type of deck. There are other molds out there, epic is using them for there center consoles. There maybe more,hope more new Apaches get built some day, Thad's mold that Pantera has would be nice to see under the Apache brand.

Interesting... Are you sure McManus has the 24 molds? Last I heard they were sold to someone in Tenessee prior to all that. Did he make that guy give them to him as well? I'm under the impression McManus only got the 28 and 36' from the Thad ordeal and the 36' didn't have a deck mold so hull mold is useless unless he uses his own deck.

But I can verify if need be.

Our CC is not an Apache mold. However we do have a set sitting here.

Talked with Mark McManus today. He was very informative and most definitely has the 24' and 28' molds I was asking about. He will build any variation, powered anyway you like it. He likes I/O power, in particular Ilmor. Most boats are layed up with kevlar but he will do glass. Let's just say cost is a little bit more than my pockets are deep.

No doubt on cost...don't deny quality is second to none, but cost...ridiculous. You wonder why you don't see any out there?!