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Mr. TONTO


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I will call you when I get back.

Would I buy a boat???? Not on spec.... I would have to see one, ride in it, and then see if it was prices the way I thought it sould be. Then I could care less what the guy was wearing...

Jon

The Great White Eagle has come from the heavens to carry the Chief to find the spirits of the lost tribe.

The Warpath Cometh

Smoke Signals are rising from the ashes to lead the eagle with chief to the war dance of the lost tribe.

The Warpath Cometh

This is in NO WAY intended to be a jab at Mr. Saccenti, but I just want to get some details (I'm clueless according to Jack) on what Bob himself did to build up Apache. Did he ever personally built a boat or designed one? :confused:

Again, this isn't an insult, I'm just curious. I apologize if it sounds offensive because it isn't intended to be.

;)

Spirit world needs to lay off the peace pipe........

WP,
That didn't answer my question even remotely. Your response only suggests he was associated with those accomplishments. Can anyone answer my question?

You ment Sparrow world right??

Hey some advice; If you're warm and happy in a pile of crap, you might just want to keep your mouth shut.

Well from what I'm reading Bob is/was a hell of a Rigger and can really throw the sticks around. I wasn't able to find anything that suggested that he has ever been a true boat-builder. A boat-builder can (and has) design/draw/build/tool-build production pieces... with his own two hands.

Anyone??? :confused:

Bob, I'd love to hear the details from you instead of hearsay! Again, I'm not asking the question in a malicious demeanor... just curious.

Jack your guess is as good as mine,But the Sprit-Sparrow-Dude-Dudette has been huffing Paint.:D

"A boat-builder can (and has) design/draw/build/tool-build production pieces... with his own two hands."

SS,

Well, that would leave out the current owners of the 2 big name companies down my way and about 50% of the others.....

The man did run reign on the company (admittedly with some help) for the past few decades. So he knows what? Nothing? Try again..... give me something I can believe.

Jack ;

It is comical !! come on "Spirit World" Whats that Liquor depot??

E-Mails:confused: Whatever.:rolleyes:Good night.

Very well said Pat.The avatar is a howl;)

BUT

Lets see Mr Harry Schoell is a real Boatbuilder the Ole Master and does not Pop anything does he?? Oops Bummer is Bob does not like the ddc bottom though.. But there are plenty others.

The way I see it is if everyone had to account for their Molds and pay to the Orginators The right full amount that is!! the boat world would be a better place..

;)

Hey I found one of those Spirit boats.. Pretty good deal..


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“Well, that would leave out the current owners of the 2 big name companies down my way and about 50% of the others.....

The man did run reign on the company (admittedly with some help) for the past few decades. So he knows what? Nothing? Try again..... give me something I can believe.” AT

So. Florida and Boat borrowing, is that the new subject ??? If you had READ my original post, you would’ve noted that I wasn’t trying to discredit Bob and I said “Again, this isn't an insult, I'm just curious. I apologize if it sounds offensive because it isn't intended to be.” So please don’t put words in my mouth. Also, yes “that would leave out the current owners of the 2 big name companies down my way and about 50% of the others.” I would agree with that. Many so. FL companies are run by people (and very successfully I might add) that have worked in the business for years or by people that have a business degree and or background. Many have walked into there current position and are riding on the coattails of their predecessor. Others are not. That doesn’t necessarily mean they've designed and built any original boats themselves. This doesn’t make me think any less of them, but you still didn’t answer my original question.

Main Entry: boat•build•er
Pronunciation: -"bil-d&r
Function: noun
Date: 1679
: one that builds boats

Date 2003 Boat builder :
One who Steals others work and makes claim of it or one who sloshes resin and outfits same…
BTW, why are all the new AT's for sale??? ;)



“Bobby built many.....” cashbrain
Hey Cash, my vision isn’t all that great, but aren’t those pictures you posted of a shortned Apache (from 41’ to 36’ )???

“what kind of boat do you have????
We REALLY want to know more about you” cashbrain
Thanks for asking about me, very thoughtful. ;) I have a couple of boats. I’m more of a cat guy myself. My larger boat is Cougar cat, it’s an original English design. Great rough water boat, but like the Apache’s, it’s kind of heavy. I also have a Yamaha jet boat (XR1800, also an original design) that I bought for easy of transport and shear convenience. Can’t beat it for it’s mobility. I use the cat locally for ocean running, and the jetboat for rivers and small lakes that I like to vacation at.
Me, I’m not in the boating business, I work in a totally unrelated field. I'm a clueless nobody, just a fan. I have a BS in mech. engineering and also have a MBA. I live in the northeast and spend some time down south. No kids, in case you’re wondering about that as well. In my free time I enjoy thinking on my own and not following the heard. Again, thanks for asking. ;)



WP, you really need to starting thinking on an individual level. As I stated before… I love the paint job on your rig. Very nice. Did you do it or was it like that when you bought it? Either way it’s sharp. Again my vision isn’t the greatest, but your boat appears to be a "borrowed" design (Gonzales's originally...not an Aronow design like the 41 Apache was).

SS390, thinking on an individual level all i have to say is i am cooler than you........simple;)

Gail Paik painted my boat in 1990.Over the years additional graphics have been added by Chris Carney of West Chester PA.

Special thanks to Bob Saccenti and Eric Froberg for a job well done.Most all my screws still run north,south,east,west:cool:

Cash,
So did Bobby ever design and build his own design?


FACEPAINT,
The paint on your rig still looks nice considering its age. You may want to recheck those screws, I think you may be missing a few. BTW, I apologize I was wrong... Stick to letting others do your thinking for you. ;)

:rolleyes:

Who REALLY gives two SH*TS who designed the damn boat. Anyone can design a boat and build it. But, after all the designing and building and everything else, it still has to go to the water and run. Good design is half the battle. The other half is set-up and tweaking. The question is: How do you take the design to the winners' circle?

Wrong Battle cry!! all the tweaking in the world will not help an inferior or "anyone" design.. and something equally bad an inordinately heavy Boat..

and totally forget that mentality where Cats are concerned..

Hey Addiction,
If you have a masturbation addiction you may want to talk to your peer with the all white Apache, I understand they run a whorehouse.:drool:

Let me help you... Are those weasel eyes ss930?

No sexy, those are feline eyes. If you look closely you'll notice felines are the only animals in the order that have slitted pupils, every other animal in the kingdom has round pupils. You'll also notice the eyes are forward-faceing which is a sign of a predator. Cat eyes are often referenced as a sign of stealthiness and strength in Greek mythology. But you were close!;)

Cry,
I know who designed the damn boat. The question was did Bobby ever design his own boat and build his own design, not who designed the boat. I'm just asking the question since it wasn't covered in the "APACHE (what's in a name ???)" threads.

"Anyone can design a boat and build it." Really??? So you can build a pile of crap and someone like Bobby can take it to the winners' circle? You might want to rethink your statement. Bobby's good, but not that good.:rolleyes: I think Steve covered it above.

sounds like cardcarrying ***got. must be from san francisco tribe. ss 930 =sissy squaw with a porche.

diana sent pics.

:eek: :D

thats asking for a visit

Steve1

You totally missed my point. Thats OK. You are building a V Bottom right now. Not a cat. Apache had a design and took it to the winners' circle. Did I mention a name in the designing? NO Did I mention ANYTHING about Bob? NO Did you imply that? YES

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS NEW BOAT ON THE WATER? HOW DO YOU KNOW THE DESIGN WILL WORK?

NO WATER TEST. NO CRUISE AROUND BISCAYNE. NOT A STOP BY SHOOTERS. POWERBOAT MAG IS NOT DOING AN ARTICLE ON IT. NO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. WHY?

BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT!

Battle Cry the new T-4 Apache is the most sophisticated Vee hull ever done and we are in the process of finishing it ..I have great expectations for it..Keep a eye on out on the web site and for Photos here on OSO when I post them .Best Regards..

BTW you know the genes of the old 41 apache don't you..

You're a piece of work SS930!!! But you not worth my time.:hothead:

:D :D :D Far from true, but I'll take that one on the chin since I was out of line. My apologies. ;) :cool:

Jack,
I not trying to make friends HERE. If I was I would jump on the bandwagon (like the majority has already done) and start trashing the new Apache. But I'm not going to do that. I'm a completely unbiased bystander that feels optimistic about the work that Steve1 is doing. Everyone has been dissing the new boat, but the fact of the matter is the new boat will be superior in just about every way. I don't know about from a design standpoint because I haven’t seen layout details, but as far as construction goes it's FAR superior to the previous generation. As you well know, the hull is based on the same design as the old 41', but is now STRAIGHT. This new hull is completely true now via the marvels of modern technology. The same cant be said about the old mold/hull. The construction techniques and materials they are using are FAR superior to the earlier models. They are much stronger, and unlike the earlier generations they will NOT ROT. In every respect the hull is vastly improved. PERIOD. Only an idiot could argue otherwise. Like I said before, I don't know what they have done with design changes to the deck, so I'll stay away from commenting on that other than saying again it will be built with superior construction techniques and materials compared to the old deck. As far as Thad burning bridges goes I agree with most of you on that. He's alienated many, including some Apache supporters. So be it. I don't really give a rats ass if he makes it or not. What I do care about is seeing the heritage of the Apache name carried on. I also care about seeing someone introduce new and IMPROVED construction materials and techniques into this century, which Steve1 is doing. With this said, I think Steve and the new Apache have a great marriage. Maybe Thad is a meathead, maybe not. I don't know the man so I'll refrain from commenting on him. You obviously thought he was good for the company (at one point) since you brought him into the picture. If **** went sour, that's between you two and nobody else. You two need to settle your differences outside a public forum. I don't agree with gathering a tribe together to sabotage the new company because your ego was bruised and I'm not saying you did, but that's how it looks from an unbiased outsider.

The only reason I'm posting on this subject is to support what looks to be a potentially great product that mergers yesterday's proven design with today’s technology. I could care less what you guys think of me in the 'tribal' world. I've never owned an Apache and I probably never will (I'll stick with cats, thank you), I'm just giving a third party opinion whether right or wrong. I'm trying to keep the personal jabs within this subject only. Any other topic/forum I will try to stay in a civil demeanor. I apologize for some of the comments I've made to you and a couple of others, some were off color and unprofessional, some deserved. But I do think some people should let these gentlemen build their boats and then pass judgment at that point. They will be hitting the market soon and I think some of you might have to agree that they might be a damn nice boat... assuming you can have an open mind.;)

AMEN. :cool:

Scott

Vaporwear.......

I would dare say that it is NOT the most sophisticated Vee out there.

Vaporwear.......

I would dare say that it is NOT the most sophisticated Vee out there.

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You have seen the T-4 ????????? You should hold opinion untill you know what you are talking about I dare say!

Best Regards

Steve-

This is the way to introduce a boat......with class, with style, open dialog, no BS, no threats, no empty promises, no ego.


Maybe you guys have never seen this thread.

I didnt know that Dragons are actually new Apaches in testing disguise........ Very clever!!!