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JasonSmith 09-21-2005 11:06 AM

xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
Anyone running them? What advantages did you gain?

29KILROY 09-21-2005 01:24 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
What kind of power are you running or issues are you having that you want to try them on a 29?

JasonSmith 09-21-2005 02:19 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
454 mpi's 385 a. just looking for some more speed w/o getting into the motors.

29KILROY 09-21-2005 02:25 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
I have mags also and I am running 79-82 on gps. I have all bolt on mods and I think boxes would be a waste of $$$ for the speeds you or I are running

JasonSmith 09-21-2005 02:38 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
what bolt on's do you have?

29KILROY 09-21-2005 02:42 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
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Imco Exhaust, K&N's, MSD's, Reprogrammed ECU's, Fuel Reg's, Nose Cones, Labbed 26p. It runs very well!

JasonSmith 09-21-2005 02:51 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
No s*it it does! 78 MPH on 454 mags is impressive. PM me if you don't want to publish how much $$ you have in mods. I'm looking at doing something different, as I don't see my boat selling soon.

JasonSmith 09-21-2005 02:52 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
excuse me, 79-82 mph. Sorry

29KILROY 09-21-2005 02:57 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
Not a problem. It surprises ALOT of people, not the fastest 29' out there but for what is done to it makes people ask alot of ?'s

customtouch 09-21-2005 06:15 PM

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Jason, I checked into boxes for mine and was told by one of the Baja reps that I wouldn't gain much if anything at all. He told me that the 29 did not need the leverage to lift the bow that the boxes give you. The CG was far enough back to do it with regular drives. He did tell me that raising my X would help more than anything but boxes on a 29 were kind of a waste of money. Just repeating what I was told!!!

JasonSmith 09-21-2005 07:29 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
Thanks. I have 1" Imco shorties now and want to go faster without getting into the motors. I just saw they were an option in the catalog and was curious.

BajaRunner 09-21-2005 08:12 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 

Originally Posted by 29KILROY
Imco Exhaust, K&N's, MSD's, Reprogrammed ECU's, Fuel Reg's, Nose Cones, Labbed 26p. It runs very well!

what rpms are you turning?? must be 5500-5600 to get that thing going that fast.

JasonSmith 09-21-2005 08:46 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 

Originally Posted by BajaRunner
what rpms are you turning?? must be 5500-5600 to get that thing going that fast.

Excelent question! Give us all the gory details in your setup.
I figure you need 900 total hp @ 7300 lbs to get to 79 mph.

customtouch 09-21-2005 09:13 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
That is about the normal (REAL) speed obtained with HP 500's or 525SC's. So it will take at least that many ponies!!

29KILROY 09-22-2005 09:06 AM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
I am turning 5,300 and the limiters are 5,400. There was alot of time spent tuning this boat to get these numbers. Timing, Fuel Pressure, Props..Like I said on GPS (Dash and handheld). If you are ever up near me bring your GPS and I will take you for a ride. It ran the 82 on a Poker Run with 1/8 full and 1 other person and great spring air. It will run around 79-80 all day.

BajaRunner 09-22-2005 09:12 AM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 

Originally Posted by 29KILROY
I am turning 5,300 and the limiters are 5,400. There was alot of time spent tuning this boat to get these numbers. Timing, Fuel Pressure, Props..Like I said on GPS (Dash and handheld). If you are ever up near me bring your GPS and I will take you for a ride. It ran the 82 on a Poker Run with 1/8 full and 1 other person and great spring air. It will run around 79-80 all day.

I did the numbers. at 5400 on the limiter, you would have to have an 8% prop slip to get 82.

I should be around 5200-5300 with 26's but i will be at 72-74mph with 13-15% slip.

29KILROY 09-22-2005 10:39 AM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
The props I have on it now are from Mercury Racing. I have another set from Bronson/Hill and they will only let me run 74-77 at the same rpm.

JasonSmith 09-22-2005 10:41 AM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
I'm a believer. I want that kind of performance on my boat. That is the reason for all the questions. What are you running for fuel pressure and timing? I am going to adjust the fuel pressure and would like a place to start. Your experience will save me time and money.
Like I said before, if you don't want everyone knowing your tricks, PM me and I'll keep it to myself.

29KILROY 09-22-2005 10:50 AM

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I don't mind what so ever. If I can help I will. I will have to double check the numbers. I know the timing was set to Merc. specs @ WOT (which might have been 32 or 34 degrees). Also, the Fuel I believe was 42psi 2 WOT but again not 100% because I have the numbers @ home.

29KILROY 09-22-2005 10:56 AM

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I am a very meticulous person. I made sure the throttle plates are totally open @ WOT. Did it help, no idea. The drives I tried tow-in, towed-out until I found the best measurement. Did it help, no idea. Even different plugs, wires, you name it. What I ended up with all made some type of difference to get what I have.

JaayTeee 09-22-2005 11:10 AM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 

Originally Posted by customtouch
That is about the normal (REAL) speed obtained with HP 500's or 525SC's. So it will take at least that many ponies!!

I had a 29 with HP500's.
1.5 gearing, 30 lab's,
5300 rpm light on load
would run 82ish.

customtouch 09-22-2005 12:04 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
Same with everyone else I know!

29KILROY 09-22-2005 12:12 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
Well mine runs that so I don't know what to tell everyone. I still welcome to take anyone for a ride.! Everyday 82 no, 78-80 Yes!

JasonSmith 09-22-2005 12:21 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
Where are you at. I'll go. I have a plane so just get me close to an airport. I'll be there

29KILROY 09-22-2005 12:27 PM

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Buffalo NY. There is alot of time on many things that people over look or don't care to tinker with but when they are all right it pays off. There are others that run these speeds or faster so mine is not the only one or the fastest one!

customtouch 09-22-2005 12:57 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
29KILROY, Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing your numbers. They were trying to figure out how hp it would take and that was the easiest way to figure it out with a (stock) set up! There is only 85 hp difference (each) between the 454 Mag and the HP 500. It would be very possible to find that amount with bolt-ons! With other fine tunning adjustments on hull, drives props, ect., it would not be impossibe! It would be rare though! You would have to admit that but all it takes is time and $$$$$!

JasonSmith 09-22-2005 01:06 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
I agree. No doubt in your numbers.

29KILROY 09-22-2005 01:07 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
Sorry if I took it wrong but I have had so many people doubt me at first and then say congrat's. I was told with my bolt on parts they are around 415-420......True or not I have no idea since I have never dyno'd them. Yes very true about the time and $$$$$.

customtouch 09-22-2005 01:52 PM

Re: xtension boxes on a 29 Outlaw
 
29KILROY, It would almost have to be moe than 415-420hp to run those kind of numbers! Like I said, don't get me wrong, you must have an exception to the rule or something because the numbers don't add up. (AGAIN) numbers are not (ALWAYS) right!!!


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