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Dock Holiday 03-02-2006 08:14 AM

Good News
 
Had a couple of nice days in Florida with 80+ degree temps for boating.

Kevin Brady at Dell Marine had the boat all ready when we arrived and he assured me that I was going to be happy.

We dropped her in the water and I was 100 feet away still in the truck when he fired the engines and WOW, did she sound sweet. We rocked downtown Jacksonville!

The new cams have really woke up the 500's. For an update we freshened up the stock 500 EFI's last year and went with Merlin World II rect port heads, we replaced the valve train new but when back with everything Merc uses stock and bumped the compression up to 9.25:1 and added dry exhaust.

Tyler Crocket reprogrammed the ECM's last year and we bumped the rev limiters up to 5550 RPM at that time.

I was runing Merc labbed 28 pitch bravo 1 4-blades and we were spinning them at 5100 to 5200 RPM.

We pulled the engines and changed the cams to the Crane 741 like used in the 525's.

While the engines were out we also removed the hook in the hull, trued the last four feet of the hull and removed the A/C intake on the bottom.

Starting out with the same props as before we immediately noticed a performance increase, mid range was awesome and the engines were screaming. We hit the rev limiters with 77 MPH showing on the GPS. This was at 82 degress outside with four people, 1/2 tank of fuel and pretty flat water on the St. Johns River.

Because the Arlington Marina ramp was closed for repairs we had to launch downtown and the water was VERY shallow. Almost did not get the boat off the trailer and had to power load, so we elected not to try the Hydromotive 5 blades we had with us at that time.

I'm looking forward to spinning some 30 pitch props and seeing what happens.

So not too bad. I spent under $2K on the hull and the engine work was also just under $2K and got a 5 MPH increase in speed instantly and I think there is more with the right props.

As for the hull work, it feels like the bow was running a little higher and it handled great. There was not any negative side effects from the work that was done.

GETTINBYE 03-02-2006 08:26 AM

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Dock,

Thats not just "good news" that is great news. Maybe one of these days I will follow your foot steps and do some of the same things with ours. Can you post a pic or 2 of what you did with the AC pick up. Have the same as you had and if it is causing a problem seems like maybe a simple solution.

Any good to hear great news!

Mark

BajaRunner 03-02-2006 08:57 AM

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Nice!! Glad to hear that dock. Did the cam wake it up quite a bit? I wish I had gone with the 741, but still scarred of reversion and not wanting to pony up for the new exhaust.

77 is awesome! hope theres some more in there for ya.

Dock Holiday 03-02-2006 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GETTINBYE
Dock,

Thats not just "good news" that is great news. Maybe one of these days I will follow your foot steps and do some of the same things with ours. Can you post a pic or 2 of what you did with the AC pick up. Have the same as you had and if it is causing a problem seems like maybe a simple solution.

Any good to hear great news!

Mark

Mark,

One picture shows the stock brass clam shell fitting that came stock from Baja. Then there is a picture taken yestrday that shows the hull now with out the fitting. Then the next picture shows the brass fitting we put in the transom for the A/C.

Dock

Dock Holiday 03-02-2006 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BajaRunner
Nice!! Glad to hear that dock. Did the cam wake it up quite a bit? I wish I had gone with the 741, but still scarred of reversion and not wanting to pony up for the new exhaust.

77 is awesome! hope theres some more in there for ya.

Thanks buddy. Yes the cam did REALLY wake the engines up. It is a very noticable difference.

I would guess that the hull work was 1-2 MPH and the Cam was 3-4 MPH.

BajaRunner 03-02-2006 09:24 AM

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dock, where did you get the new fitting? Im on the hunt for one.

Dock Holiday 03-02-2006 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BajaRunner
dock, where did you get the new fitting? Im on the hunt for one.

I do not know.

Kevin Brady at Dell Marine in Jacksonville did all of that and you would have to contact him.

Give him a call or ask for Sarah in parts and tell them you want a brass fitting like them put in "Docks" boat. I'm sure they will be more then glad to help you out.

Phone # 904-730-9968

BajaRunner 03-02-2006 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dock Holiday
I do not know.

Kevin Brady at Dell Marine in Jacksonville did all of that and you would have to contact him.

Give him a call or ask for Sarah in parts and tell them you want a brass fitting like them put in "Docks" boat. I'm sure they will be more then glad to help you out.

Phone # 904-730-9968

Thanks Dock, They are shipping me one out.

JaayTeee 03-02-2006 05:18 PM

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Dock,

How did they "finish" the straightened
area ?

Is it smooth ( as the original gel) ?

Or, did they leave a rough ( sanded) texture
to it ?

I think with 30's, you'll be tickling 80 :cool:

jt

Steel Outlawed 03-03-2006 06:19 AM

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That is good news.

I'm glad you got it back, sounds like everything turned out the way you wanted.

I'll be glad to get mine back from Kevin. I still have a few things to do before spring.

Dock Holiday 03-03-2006 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JaayTeee
Dock,

How did they "finish" the straightened
area ?

Is it smooth ( as the original gel) ?

Or, did they leave a rough ( sanded) texture
to it ?

I think with 30's, you'll be tickling 80 :cool:

jt

We kept it smooth. It looks completely stock except for being completey straight.

I thought about sanding it, but for the little gain you would actually see it was not worth it in my opinion as for resale. Would probably raise too many negative questions.

Dock Holiday 03-03-2006 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Steel Outlawed
I'll be glad to get mine back from Kevin. I still have a few things to do before spring.

What you going to do? Pull the A/C back out so I can't pass you? :evilb:

Steel Outlawed 03-03-2006 07:50 AM

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Actually I pulled one of the engines, so you could pass me. :D

bikinilover 03-03-2006 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Steel Outlawed
Actually I pulled one of the engines, so you could pass me. :D

That motor didn't go again did it?

Steel Outlawed 03-03-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bikinilover
That motor didn't go again did it?

It would have, if I had not taken in it in for a tune up. It ended up needing more than just a tune up.

After seeing all the parts that were in the engine no wonder James had trouble blowing engines. The internal parts were not much to be desired.

bikinilover 03-03-2006 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel Outlawed
It would have, if I had not taken in it in for a tune up. It ended up needing more than just a tune up.

After seeing all the parts that were in the engine no wonder James had trouble blowing engines. The internal parts were not much to be desired.

Was it rebuilt with cheap parts. Is Derybery going to warranty it? HaHa!! Good Luck! Man that totally sucks! At least you caught it before it blew.

Dock Holiday 03-03-2006 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bikinilover
Is Derybery going to warranty it? .


Yeah right, like he warranted my friend Cullin's engines in Jacksonville, or Jim Tyson's engines in Jackson, or the guy on here a few months ago in Virginia.

I would not let him touch my engines with a 10 foot pole.

From what I have seen and heard first hand he builds "JUNK" and rips people off.

baja36ft 03-03-2006 05:26 PM

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Glad To See The Boat Came Out Ok The 741 Is A Great
Cam Why Don't You Try A Set Of Hydro's The Baja's
Seem To Like That Prop I Spin A 27 Or A 28 Pitch With
My 36.
ARE YOU SPINNING THE PROPS IN OR OUT??

JaayTeee 03-03-2006 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel Outlawed
Actually I pulled one of the engines, so you could pass me. :D


Did your boat originally come with "Blue motors" ?

The reason I ask is that I've never seen one ( w/HP's)
without offshore motor mounts.....wondering if it was
an option.

baja36ft 03-03-2006 05:34 PM

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I Never Seen That But It Looks Like The Mount On The Right Is Up Side Down.

liquid asset 03-03-2006 08:33 PM

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A-MEN brother, Jeff, I told you all I knew about those engines, I hope you have better luck than Jimmy, DB got very expensive, and always had an excuse so he would not warranty it, I'd a been a whole lot " less nice" than jimmy was though :D , when he did'nt warranty it, that was supposed to be new from the block up




Originally Posted by Dock Holiday
Yeah right, like he warranted my friend Cullin's engines in Jacksonville, or Jim Tyson's engines in Jackson, or the guy on here a few months ago in Virginia.

I would not let him touch my engines with a 10 foot pole.

From what I have seen and heard first hand he builds "JUNK" and rips people off.


bikinilover 03-03-2006 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baja36ft
I Never Seen That But It Looks Like The Mount On The Right Is Up Side Down.

Probably is....

Steel Outlawed 03-04-2006 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by liquid asset
A-MEN brother, Jeff, I told you all I knew about those engines, I hope you have better luck than Jimmy, DB got very expensive, and always had an excuse so he would not warranty it, I'd a been a whole lot " less nice" than jimmy was though :D , when he did'nt warranty it, that was supposed to be new from the block up

There were two detonated pistons, one cracked head, and the rods were from a 502 mpi instead of a 500 efi. The block was able to be salvaged, I bought a couple heads from a friend of mine, two new pistons, new eagle rods, rings, bearings, and gaskets.

The starboard engine seems to be running strong, let's hope it stays that way for a while.

Smitty 03-04-2006 10:54 AM

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That mount is in the correct position. It is too tall(the mount) and there is not enough stringer height on the outboard mount location so they just flip it over and you're done.

liquid asset 03-04-2006 11:36 AM

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Thats about the same thing that happened last time, Leon claimed it had a bad injector and caused it to detonate, The other engine was actually rebuilt by a friend of ours and always seemed strong, I would definatly call DPM and let him know whats up, or at least shoot an email, he's a member here, but I dont recall his username

Wilks 03-05-2006 07:22 AM

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How do you get two set of heads, cams, lifters, springs, valves, engine R&R, engine labor for $2K. Please let me know because I am paying way to much.

pwam1 03-05-2006 06:35 PM

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From what I recall you got a good deal on that 33. Good thing, eh?

Steel Outlawed 03-05-2006 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pwam1
From what I recall you got a good deal on that 33. Good thing, eh?

I did get a good deal, but I didn't expect to have these kind of problems with a rebuilt engine.

If he had used the correct parts to do the job I probably would not have these problems.


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