Its not the same its not coming from Baja this venture looks alot like Dragon boats .There is know way a small co. can biuld that boat to compete with fountain 42X MY guess 399.000 525s kustom paint

the painter is what makes it so expensive:evilb:

Hey partner,

We are still going to the Rattle Snake Round Up when I get out there right?

I do my best work under stress!:evilb:


Currently have three boat projects, a trip to see you, an open house for our new store, training to new young inside folks, a business trip to Moline, IL, planning our next three regular poker runs, have a roof to repair and have to get power out to the man cave. I could probably handle a couple of more projects!:evilb:

See you Thursday and by the way I do not have any cowboy boots! I used to have a very nice pair but the wife said i did not wear them enough and gave them to Goodwill! I hope the real cowboys don't kick my a$$.

Dock

You were probably wearing your boots with your shorts and Tommie just wanted to save you from yourself, thats why she gave them away. I hope that you have a chance to kick back a little down here--sounds like you need a little down time. See ya Thursday afternoon. The long range forecast says maybe rain on Thursday but good weather on Fri, Sat. and Sunday. High 70's everyday.
Jay

DAMN PAINTERS!!!!!:D

Or when you spin a hub, blow a drive, bring the wrong props, get lost, or you actually do finish but its with someone elses boat.................:hitfan:

What he said!:D

Hey go easy on my buddy.

He cannot help it that he is "TOO FAST".:D

at least it looks good with the hatch up.

He's not just a member he is the PRESIDENT of the broken parts club:evilb:

lets get real dude.... come on.

Some people drink for fun I challenge my equipment,and can afford it .some people dont even own a boat and they want to talk smack.Back to my point that has nothing to do with paint If you want to target Baja people THE 39 has to come priced like Baja Im really starting to think its all a pipe dream. oyea my boat is the fastest 33 in the country.

Just my opinion:

1) Brand New Company
2) Unknown product & Builder
3) Depressed Market
4) Price Point target market unknown?

What makes a great offshore boat company?

A winning RACING heritage!

If they really want to make a go of this new product they have to RACE IT and Win!

Since it is based off the Skater "Spiderman" boat and since I hear that Todd Welling is involved I say if they build a nice product, the entry price point is good and they do a nice job campaigning it on the race curcuit and win that they will easily establish themselves and gain a lot of respect in the industry.

Easier said then done but just my opinion.

Without racing they will have a tough time getting anyone to drop $250K and up in a start up boat company.

I hope it does happen and I wish them the best of luck.

It's exciting watching people take chances in this country. Without that we would not know this sport or the great names like Don Aronow or Reggie Fountain.

Show Off!:evilb:

I agree.. Good points too..

It wish them the best.. Any business trying to make a legit go at it the right way in this country these days is a good thing..

Jamie..

Thanks for the last post Dock, We have a price point in mind but want to see where the general public would like to see this boat come into the market. We are a new company and have much to prove, but for us there is only up at this point.


Where does everyone want to see the price point? Should we come into the market with big power at a bargin or come to the market with a base boat at a base price? Or should we do both?

What do all of you think?

:boat:

Faction where are you located?

I'd say Dock pretty much hit the nail on the head. Except for a select few I would say this boat is going to be out of the average core Baja owner's budget. And to get taken seriously as a Cig/OL/Apache contender it will have to get out and run with those boats in the race circuits and kick serious arse with FACTION in big bold letters down the side of the hull. Which from all the excitement this hull has garnered over the years doesn't sound like it should be too hard to do provided it is built solid, fiinishes races and finishes high. Now the only problem is to find a somebody to write a big fat check and get some boats in the molds!

Wouldn't hurt to probably get the posts out of the Baja section, it may be the crew from the former Baja but it's not Baja anymore, time to seperate and make your own name.

P.S. - If this boat is going to be manufactured in the Bucyrus area I would love to be a volunteer shop boy/go fer/whatever you need help with. But not until after boating season!

They need to be priced like boats were 10 years ago:D

The price increases over the last several years
is crazy.

I know that our former friends at Brunswick are
part of the problem.

But then again, if my annual income increased as much
as the new boat prices do annually , I probably wouldn't
care

Whatever becomes of it, it will be nice to see a
version of this in pleasure boat form.

I don't think Skater has produced many for
pleasure....maybe two ??

That wasnt ment for you my freind, its a pleasure running BESIDE you

I think you should do a joint venture with Checkmate ,Doug and Dean allready established great boat biulders.Hire back some of the people from Baja.Then let Kustom kolors do his magic.Price 225,000to 235,000 with 525s Call them FastAction boats.

And a website!!!

100% agree, but they have not even informed the people at Baja this is going on. And some of the Baja people are still working.

The best boats are just like a good house they start with a very SOLID foundation. Look back at Apache and Cigarette 15 years ago.

They are still worth as much as they sold for new and just as desirable.

You can always paint them. You can update the seating and dash. You can repower them but only if the hull is ROCK SOLID and worth the investment.

They don't have to be real fancy. They just have to be built right up front. The problems we have had with our 36 Outlaw were all stupid simple things that should never have happened, or never have made it through QC and we had to solve almost everyone ourselves. You don't want to spend good money on a new boat to have to work on it and do what the factory was paid to do.

The boat already has style and with Clayton doing the paint WOW. That will add a LOT of value and will set the boats apart from others.

I hear that the hull has been improved to make it more user friendly from the originals. If it is an 85 MPH boat with 525's it will get respect for 39 feet.

Again the hull has to be rock solid and the rigging needs to look high end.

If you can build a boat like this for the prices Bobby posted then you will sell a lot. I do not know of any 39 foot vee hulls with custom paint that are under $300K.

I do agree with others that the name should be reconsidered. It's not bad but I cannot get real excited about it. I keep thinking that Hitler is behind this project!:D SORRY

As mentioned above you need to get all your ducks in a row, get the website established and price point. Get this out on the main forums and get the opinions from the big guys. If you go about introducing this new company right you will have won half the battle. But these guys can be brutal so be prepared. Also as mentioned this boat will be above the price point of many current Baja owners and I would completely seperate myself from Baja and move forward.

$250K to $275K would kick the others in the butt with this size, speed and custom paint.

Take a look at how a lot of the West coast boys do it. DCB is a great example.

Good Luck

Baja is GONE.

There is no changing what has happened.

I would not expect too many jobs to be created in the first few years of business. There are what 200+ people out of work and this could mean a dozen new jobs maybe?

OK.............you got my attention! I'll be listenning........................................ .................................................. .... Show us triple digit speed and a solid hull with nice rigging in the low $300k ......... then sign me up!!! :cool-smiley-011:

I am as confused as anyone here but I have to ask a few Q's.

You say "Spiderman Boat" rather than Skater.

You say 'Tod Welling" instead of Peter Hledin.

Are you inferring that Welling workes for Skater or runs Skater or had the V bottom built to his designs at Skater? Or are you saying that Welling is the man behind this new company?

Don't see where Welling comes into this or Skater.

Todd Welling drove the Spiderman Skater boat.

It is rumored that he will be one of the principals of this new company. It is only a rumor and do not know for sure.

If it is true he will be the perfect guy to race the NEW Faction boat.

That is all I am saying.

As far as I know this new venture as nothing to do with Skater.

The name definitely could be better, but everything I think of is already taken!

Apocalypse Offshore - Raining fire down on the competition?

Or maybe even Erie Powerboats - born and breed on the greatest of great lakes?

"Faction" is growing on me for a name.
I wonder what other names were discussed?????

I have been hearing Jason Billmeyer might be the driver for the first race boat. Pray for rough water, he will win everytime.

I hear it might be sponsered by COORS LIGHT:evilb:

Well from what I am being told this new company and new boat will happen.

Hat's off to you guys and best of luck with the new venture.

Keep us posted.

I'm very excited to hear that one of my buddies may be involved.

I am thinking Jason should drive and Mark should throttle!:D

Jason just duct tapes the sticks to the wood and trys to hang on to the wheel! Then he wants to know why the boat beeps everytime it leaves the water! :D

I guess we have put the Faction Powerboat company to rest.

Thursday July 10, 2008

Sea Ray / Brunswick destroyed the mold!

Doc,

WTF are we looking at here?? was that the Faction mold?? Why break it, or was it a accident?

Will,

Go to the other thread I just started for details.

"Breaking News"

No accident!

Dock

Call Rick Stone for details. What an unbelievable waste! :mad:

God damn you'd swear Bill Regan was still there! :mad:

Rick Stone was determined to destroy it, he did not want anyone, especially ex -employees to have it. The story they will probably use is because of liabilty, but that argument went out the window when they sold the place to Fountain, the liabilty spin a boat out kings. Let's name the Hall of Shame, First and foremost, BILL REGAN, then a VERY close second, arm around Bill- ROB PARMENTIER and lastly, but not forgotten, RICK STONE! Great job running one into the ground boys, use whatever story you want to sleep at night, but a lot of people know the truth..............

But of course, this is just my opinion........

I'll put $$ on the fact that the existing raceboat will be splashed in short order. Whether or not anything comes of the splashed mold, or if anyone ever even knows about it; is a whole different story.