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RunninHotRacing163.1 06-13-2008 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2589366)
Hey am I at 5000 posts yet?

Damn waves are getting taller!

I like the guys over at Island Pirates:D

Hey BIG Daddy your almost there :cool-smiley-026::cool-smiley-026: WOO HOO for 5000

haulinvols 06-13-2008 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday
Hey am I at 5000 posts yet?

Damn waves are getting taller!

I like the guys over at Island Pirates
4991, only 9 away. Come on Mark, you can do it. If you don't have 5000 by the end of the day I will be disappointed.

boatman22 06-13-2008 12:33 PM

See Jason, you expect people to beleive that you were signing womens breasts and they were signing your ass on Conroe last year.....and there were 4' seas!!!!!!:party-smiley-004:

JaayTeee 06-13-2008 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2589366)
Hey am I at 5000 posts yet?

Damn waves are getting taller!

I like the guys over at Island Pirates:D

Tell us how you really feel about Blake...that
should be good for a few posts;)

TexomaPowerboater 06-13-2008 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by nomomoney (Post 2589352)
This Texoma guy was told to leave Lake Pirates because of stupid crap like this.He needs to go up to his BEST lake in Texas and have a coke and a smile.

Yep, the beaker is right. I was told to leave the butt pirates site because some dipchit thought it was cool to launch off a wake 30ft off the stern of a cruiser and me and some others disagreed. There is a similar thread on here where numerous members have said the same.

never enuff 06-13-2008 12:54 PM

Dock,
After reading your well thought out ramblings I have determined that your Company should begin drug test immediately, starting with management. I'm afraid you might be going onto what they call "No motor withdrawl".:(:(
Jay

never enuff 06-13-2008 01:01 PM

If he starts on Blake he might be to 6000 before the sun goes down. It might also increase a lot of other peoples post count!!
Jay

Dock Holiday 06-13-2008 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by never enuff (Post 2589468)
Dock,
After reading your well thought out ramblings I have determined that your Company should begin drug test immediately, starting with management. I'm afraid you might be going onto what they call "No motor withdrawl".:(:(
Jay

:D:D:evilb:

Dock Holiday 06-13-2008 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by never enuff (Post 2589476)
If he starts on Blake he might be to 6000 before the sun goes down. It might also increase a lot of other peoples post count!!
Jay

At Least!

Good two more:D

Dock Holiday 06-13-2008 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by haulinvols (Post 2589394)
4991, only 9 away. Come on Mark, you can do it. If you don't have 5000 by the end of the day I will be disappointed.

I'm your huckleberry.

Dock Holiday 06-13-2008 01:12 PM

Jason Smith aka Jason Smith

Folks I have found Jason to not only be a GREAT sport with a super sense of humor but a really nice guy.

He does what he says, he has bought a lot of stuff from me and always pays up and is someone we look forward to seeing at the events.

If he says they are 4 footers then by God they are 4 footers.

We love you buddy.

P.S. I have a new tape measure in the mail to you now.

P.S. I am very sorry to compare you to T.B. Moron. You may look alike but you are definately not that stupid.

JasonSmith 06-13-2008 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by boatman22 (Post 2589431)
See Jason, you expect people to beleive that you were signing womens breasts and they were signing your ass on Conroe last year.....and there were 4' seas!!!!!!:party-smiley-004:

LOL, the signing of breasts & buttox came out in family court the other day. Did you see my daughter at Conroe?
My ex-wife has a snitch that lurks on all the fourms I'm on & twists everything I say into something that is just not true in an attempt to keep me from seeing my little girl.:eek:
Totally off the subject, but I thought I'd let you know.

Hi Mike.:D

JasonSmith 06-13-2008 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2589490)
Jason Smith aka Jason Smith

Folks I have found Jason to not only be a GREAT sport with a super sense of humor but a really nice guy.

He does what he says, he has bought a lot of stuff from me and always pays up and is someone we look forward to seeing at the events.

If he says they are 4 footers then by God they are 4 footers.

We love you buddy.

P.S. I have a new tape measure in the mail to you now.

P.S. I am very sorry to compare you to T.B. Moron. You may look alike but you are definately not that stupid.

I have one of those tape measures. Hell every man has one of those tape measures that make 6" into 9".
Mine doesn't work that way....I have to fold it in half.:drink:

Reminds me of a birth control joke:
"I don't need condoms, I just fold it in half & put the firing end out".

JasonSmith 06-13-2008 01:24 PM

Hell, I keep this up & I'll be at 5000 by the end of the day too!:grinser010:

never enuff 06-13-2008 01:42 PM

Damn Jason--just throw that thing overboard and it might make some huge ripples---sorry I meant waves:evilb::evilb:
Jay

GoodTymn 06-13-2008 02:35 PM

ya'll are crack'n me up, used to have to head up to the AT cult forum for such wittiness,

never enuff 06-13-2008 03:40 PM

We were going to have a battle of the witts but some on here may only be half prepared!!!!!:eek:
Jay

GoodTymn 06-13-2008 07:51 PM

Awe Crap a Pop Quiz................

these stories of world speed records remind me of growing up hearing how easy I had from my dad, heck he was up before dawn, feeding the chickens and milking the cows then had to fix his 8 brothers and sisters lunch, Then walk to school in a foot of snow, uphill,,,,,,,,,,Both ways......... :D

I am in your corner Jason, cause Capt Morgan is the duct tape of life,

haulinvols 06-13-2008 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by never enuff (Post 2589593)
We were going to have a battle of the witts but some on here may only be half prepared!!!!!:eek:
Jay

And some are just plain unarmed. :D

customtouch 06-13-2008 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=GoodTymn;2589739]Awe Crap a Pop Quiz................

these stories of world speed records remind me of growing up hearing how easy I had from my dad, heck he was up before dawn, feeding the chickens and milking the cows then had to fix his 8 brothers and sisters lunch, Then walk to school in a foot of snow, uphill,,,,,,,,,,Both ways......... :D



Please refer back to post #10. :D

GoodTymn 06-13-2008 09:05 PM

[QUOTE=customtouch;2589792]

Originally Posted by GoodTymn (Post 2589739)
Awe Crap a Pop Quiz................

these stories of world speed records remind me of growing up hearing how easy I had from my dad, heck he was up before dawn, feeding the chickens and milking the cows then had to fix his 8 brothers and sisters lunch, Then walk to school in a foot of snow, uphill,,,,,,,,,,Both ways......... :D



Please refer back to post #10. :D

We might be kin folk, too funny:drink:

AIR TIME 06-16-2008 04:35 PM

Doc, jason and who ever just a thought with twin 500hps to 650 hps in a 33 boat. what would you burn a hour at 3500, 4000, WFO I no this has nuthing to do with this tread but since your all hear:D give me some feed back please, I am thing of moving up, artie

AIR TIME 06-16-2008 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2589467)
Yep, the beaker is right. I was told to leave the butt pirates site because some dipchit thought it was cool to launch off a wake 30ft off the stern of a cruiser and me and some others disagreed. There is a similar thread on here where numerous members have said the same.

is that blakes site or another site?

Dock Holiday 06-16-2008 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 2591635)
Doc, jason and who ever just a thought with twin 500hps to 650 hps in a 33 boat. what would you burn a hour at 3500, 4000, WFO I no this has nuthing to do with this tread but since your all hear:D give me some feed back please, I am thing of moving up, artie

2002 Baja 36 Outlaw
500 EFI engines with Merlin Heads and 741 Crane cam
with ECM reprogram = 598 HP at 5400 RPM

Here is exactly what I just copied off my last computer scan from last year. This report is huge but if you email me I can sent it to you so you will see first hand.

Idle = 2.36 GPH
1600 RPM = 6.56 GPH
2150 RPM = 10.48 GPH
3200 RPM = 18.92 GPH
3500 RPM = 19.56 GPH
3800 RPM = 20.62 GPH
4000 RPM = 22.06 GPH
4200 RPM = 27.31 GPH
4500 RPM = 31.48 GPH
4800 RPM = 34.35 GPH
5000 RPM = 35.76 GPH
5200 RPM = 38.04 GPH
5299 RPM = 38.37 GPH
5400 RPM = 40.75 GPH

Note what happens over 4000 RPM.

I hope this helps you out and answers your question.

Remember this is per engine so on a twin it is times two.

Cruise my boat at 3800 RPM and you are burning 42 gallons per hour.

customtouch 06-16-2008 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2591726)
2002 Baja 36 Outlaw
500 EFI engines with Merlin Heads and 741 Crane cam
with ECM reprogram = 598 HP at 5400 RPM

Here is exactly what I just copied off my last computer scan from last year. This report is huge but if you email me I can sent it to you so you will see first hand.

Idle = 2.36 GPH
1600 RPM = 6.56 GPH
2150 RPM = 10.48 GPH
3200 RPM = 18.92 GPH
3500 RPM = 19.56 GPH
3800 RPM = 20.62 GPH
4000 RPM = 22.06 GPH
4200 RPM = 27.31 GPH
4500 RPM = 31.48 GPH
4800 RPM = 34.35 GPH
5000 RPM = 35.76 GPH
5200 RPM = 38.04 GPH
5299 RPM = 38.37 GPH
5400 RPM = 40.75 GPH

Note what happens over 4000 RPM.

I hope this helps you out and answers your question.

Remember this is per engine so on a twin it is times two.

Cruise my boat at 3800 RPM and you are burning 42 gallons per hour.


Which comes out to a little over $400 per hour at WOT. That is if you are only paying $5.00 a gallaon! Premium "on the water" must be at least that much now and will probably be that much "on land" soon!! :rolleyes:

onesickpantera 06-17-2008 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by socalstone (Post 2589057)
Ocean waves are measured from Sea level-to wave crest...
so 4' wave gives you 4' of crest and 4' of trough- this equals 8' of wave "face"
....always confusing/often debated but pretty much standard definition -at least in the surfing world.

So, a true 2' wave has 4' of wave face. a true 3' wave has 6' of wave face.
On a lake same would apply, except the sea-level part.

Maybe surfers define it this way but they also smoke a lot of weed! :D

Wave height is simply the vertical distance between crest and trough. Amplitude is the vertical distance from crest to sea level/waterline.

GoodTymn 06-17-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 2592788)
Maybe surfers define it this way but they also smoke a lot of weed! :D

Wave height is simply the vertical distance between crest and trough. Amplitude is the vertical distance from crest to sea level/waterline.

Attachment 347276

wonder what he measures this wave to be ?

never enuff 06-17-2008 03:09 PM

You think that might have made him pucker a little:eek::eek:
Jay

Dock Holiday 06-17-2008 03:20 PM

Official Transcript from the Senate Sub-committee on Wave Heights. The meeting was called to order at 9:30 am. Committee members present:

Jim Paymemore-D Utah,
Frank Swindle-R Ohio,
William Huckster-D Maine


Paymemore: Let's begin this meeting by introducing our expert witnesses that have kindly given of their time to be with us today. From Hawaii we have Kiko Kamahana, from San Calamity California we have Jimmy X and from Cuckoo Beach Florida we have Jon Ronny. Senator Huckster, could you bring us up to speed on the problems as you see it.

Huckster: Well the problem is there is not a standard way to measure wave heights. A 2 ft. wave in Hawaii might be called a 4 ft. wave in California and a double overhead monster on the East Coast.

Swindle: How could this be? How many ways can there be to measure a wave?

Huckster: Why don't we let our experts explain how they measure waves. We will start with Mr. X from California.

X: On the west coast we measure the wave by how high the face is just before it breaks. We judge the height by comparing it to the oil platforms just offshore. Another method we use is by how hard it is to find a parking place. For every five minutes you look for a place to park, add one foot to the wave height.

Huckster: Very good Mr. X, now lets hear from Mr. Ronny from Florida.

Ronny: The right way to measure wave heights is with a ruler. Usually a one foot ruler will do, but during the Hurricane season we pull out the old yard stick. You just walk out into the waves and stop when your ankles get wet. Then push the ruler as deep into the sand as you can. Then just step back and wait for the next set wave to come crashing in. If the wave covers the ruler, then it was over one foot. Any thing else we measure in inches, although I heard that some guys in Virginia Beach were using the metric system, with wave heights in millimeters.

Huckster: Well that's very interesting, now Mr.. Kamahana, will you bring us up to speed on the Hawaiian method of measuring wave heights ?

Kamahana: The right way to measure waves is from the back of the wave.

Swindle: How do you do that when you can't see the back of a wave ?

Kamahana: Well, we don't actually measure the back of the wave, we use something called the inverse haole formula. The formula is 1/H * 50 = wave height, where H = the number of haoles out at our local break.

Huckster: So let me see if I got this right, if there are 50 haoles out, then 1/50 * 50 would equal a 1 ft. wave.

Kamahana: You got it bro, and if there is only 2 haoles out, we have a 25 ft. monster!

Huckster: Well then gentlemen, as you can see we have a problem as to which of these methods if any should be adopted as the official wave height index.

Paymemore: I move that we adjourn this meeting and re-convene in Hawaii next week for an extended stay so that we study the problem first hand.

Swindle: I second the motion, this meeting stands adjourned.

socalstone 06-17-2008 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 2592788)
Maybe surfers define it this way but they also smoke a lot of weed! :D

Wave height is simply the vertical distance between crest and trough. Amplitude is the vertical distance from crest to sea level/waterline.

Not so young grasshopper.... Amplitude and wave height are one in the same- measured from baseline/waterline to crest. That's not just surfsmack.... it's science!

never enuff 06-17-2008 09:22 PM

Damn Jason,
Just run your boat in smooth water next time------:party-smiley-004:
Jay

JasonSmith 06-17-2008 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by never enuff (Post 2593242)
Damn Jason,
Just run your boat in smooth water next time------:party-smiley-004:
Jay

Exactally what I was thinking!
How do you measure your d!ck is irrelevant as long as you look down & say "that is big" & the girls agree.... it is big.
So, measured from the bottom to the top or the middle to the top, big is big.:drink::drink:

onesickpantera 06-18-2008 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by socalstone (Post 2592980)
Not so young grasshopper.... Amplitude and wave height are one in the same- measured from baseline/waterline to crest. That's not just surfsmack.... it's science!

Well, the United States Army Corps of Engineers' Coastal and Hydraulics Laboratory, who publishes the Coastal Engineering Manual, disagrees with you. Waveheight is measured crest to trough.

Dock Holiday 06-18-2008 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 2593569)
Well, the United States Army Corps of Engineers' Coastal and Hydraulics Laboratory, who publishes the Coastal Engineering Manual, disagrees with you. Waveheight is measured crest to trough.

Originally Posted by socalstone
Ocean waves are measured from Sea level-to wave crest...
so 4' wave gives you 4' of crest and 4' of trough- this equals 8' of wave "face"

Looking at what he said and your chart to me they are the same thing.

Using the still water line add the trough and the crest and you have the wave height.

Trough + Crest = Wave Height

AIR TIME 06-18-2008 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 2593569)
Well, the United States Army Corps of Engineers' Coastal and Hydraulics Laboratory, who publishes the Coastal Engineering Manual, disagrees with you. Waveheight is measured crest to trough.

thats what I use:D but a lot of times out here there is no still water line just troughs and tops:eek: and there steep in BUZZARDS BAY CAPE COD almost every afternoon when blowing out of the SW. and by NEWPORT. Thats why theres so many blow boats in those two areas:rolleyes::grinser010:

socalstone 06-18-2008 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 2593569)
Well, the United States Army Corps of Engineers' Coastal and Hydraulics Laboratory, who publishes the Coastal Engineering Manual, disagrees with you. Waveheight is measured crest to trough.

Good for them. but is still wrong to me. I can dig up a hundred legitimate sources that measure from sea level to crest for wave height, including my old school books from Oceanography courses at U of MD, but I think I'm burned out on this topic!

I was just trying to help JS justify what he thought he was running in cuz there were a dozen people calling BS!

You measure crest to trough... more power to you. If JS thinks he was running 90+ in 4' seas... More power to him. More power to you both! ...Whatever the numbers are, I'll know to divide by two.

enjoy.... I'm going to go smoke some weed!

AIR TIME 06-18-2008 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2591726)
2002 Baja 36 Outlaw
500 EFI engines with Merlin Heads and 741 Crane cam
with ECM reprogram = 598 HP at 5400 RPM

Here is exactly what I just copied off my last computer scan from last year. This report is huge but if you email me I can sent it to you so you will see first hand.

Idle = 2.36 GPH
1600 RPM = 6.56 GPH
2150 RPM = 10.48 GPH
3200 RPM = 18.92 GPH
3500 RPM = 19.56 GPH
3800 RPM = 20.62 GPH
4000 RPM = 22.06 GPH
4200 RPM = 27.31 GPH
4500 RPM = 31.48 GPH
4800 RPM = 34.35 GPH
5000 RPM = 35.76 GPH
5200 RPM = 38.04 GPH
5299 RPM = 38.37 GPH
5400 RPM = 40.75 GPH

Note what happens over 4000 RPM.

I hope this helps you out and answers your question.

Remember this is per engine so on a twin it is times two.

Cruise my boat at 3800 RPM and you are burning 42 gallons per hour.

Thanks Doc SO CARBS ARE MORE I think I am at 50 at 5000 to 6000rpm:D with the single I wish I could add 4ft to mine.

AIR TIME 06-18-2008 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by GoodTymn (Post 2592811)
Attachment 347276

wonder what he measures this wave to be ?

that wave to me looks like a 6 footer

onesickpantera 06-18-2008 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by socalstone (Post 2594428)
Good for them. but is still wrong to me. I can dig up a hundred legitimate sources that measure from sea level to crest for wave height, including my old school books from Oceanography courses at U of MD, but I think I'm burned out on this topic!

I was just trying to help JS justify what he thought he was running in cuz there were a dozen people calling BS!

You measure crest to trough... more power to you. If JS thinks he was running 90+ in 4' seas... More power to him. More power to you both! ...Whatever the numbers are, I'll know to divide by two.

enjoy.... I'm going to go smoke some weed!


There's people calling BS because it's tough to run that fast in 4 footers. But I have been out in those "just right" waves before when you can run on top of them. From his posts I believe Jason is a straight shooter and he was running hard in some big water.

Everytime there is a thread like this there is that one person says a 4' wave is actually a 2' wave, a 6' wave is actually a 3' wave, etc. If you think the Coastal Engineering Manual is wrong...more power to you. :D

ROB FREEMAN 06-18-2008 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2587029)
??????

Are we not talking here about sea conditions?

There is no such thing as rollers in a lake. There is wake and slop but not rollers.

I assumed when he said 4 foot rollers he ran the boat in the ocean.

The wind to make a four foot wake in a lake would be caused by a tornado and you could not boat.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I assumed we were talking sea conditions here.

thers deffinately lakes that produce 4 foot rollers , lk winnabago in wi , petenwell flowage also will produice a 4 foot rollers theese are just two examples in wi


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