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JasonSmith 06-10-2008 10:49 PM

In 4' rollers, against the wind in a 29 Outlaw
 
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In 4' rollers, against the wind in a 29 Outlaw, alone.......well I had a chase boat.:evilb:

BajaFresh 06-10-2008 11:10 PM

Right On, Dude! :D

I've had mine out in 4 to 5's with an occational probably 8' hole but could only get up to about 50 or so. They were rough chop, breaking, definately not rollers.

That ride must have been a blast! :evilb:

five cent worth 06-11-2008 07:24 AM

That's awesome man!

boss252 06-11-2008 09:54 AM

Where is the video?

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 09:58 AM

Hum,

On the email you sent they were just 3 foot rollers!

I guess by tomorrow they will be 6 feet!:evilb:

Nice speed regardless. You can be very proud of that accomplishment.:ernaehrung004:

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 09:59 AM

Oh

P.S. "I'm packing my lunch"!

JasonSmith 06-11-2008 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2586857)
Hum,

On the email you sent they were just 3 foot rollers!

I guess by tomorrow they will be 6 feet!:evilb:

Nice speed regardless. You can be very proud of that accomplishment.:ernaehrung004:

They were 12'......
the video camera broke, there was a flood, a fire, an earthquake, locust

obnoxus 06-11-2008 10:14 AM

92 mph in a 29 footer and 4 footers !!!???

never enuff 06-11-2008 10:33 AM

He should be proud he got away for the dock??????? Hows your tires situation doing Jason???? Go to 15" wheels and Maxxis tires and you should be good!!!!!!
Jay

customtouch 06-11-2008 10:49 AM

You forgot to say "uphill both ways"!!!!:evilb::evilb:

MOBILEMERCMAN 06-11-2008 10:51 AM

I was out in Travis Sunday.The winds been blowing for days hard and it was Rough. They were BIG 1's with and occasional 1.5' :grinser010:

:cool:

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 10:59 AM

Jason knows this is a tough crowd!

But he has earned our respect and has done a wonderful job getting everything out of his boat you can.

I hope I can join him in the 90+ MPH club soon.

Jason Smith 29OL
Boby Todd 33OL
Jeff Akers 36OL

Who else is in the club?

MOBILEMERCMAN 06-11-2008 11:09 AM

92 MPH is very impressive indeed no doubt:ernaehrung004:
in 4' rollers I gotta call....BS :grinser010:

SinkorSwim 06-11-2008 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2586955)
Who else is in the club?



Depends how fast the duallie is towing my .38 Special :evilb:



Just kidding... :drink: Those are impressive speeds...




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Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by MOBILEMERCMAN (Post 2586975)
in 4' rollers I gotta call....BS :grinser010:

FREQUENCY

You cannot gauge by size alone. It has to be SIZE + FREQUENCY.

If they are 5 seconds apart then I would agree and call BS. But if they are 30 seconds apart then it is a GREAT ride.

obnoxus 06-11-2008 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2586955)
Jason knows this is a tough crowd!

But he has earned our respect and has done a wonderful job getting everything out of his boat you can.

I hope I can join him in the 90+ MPH club soon.

Jason Smith 29OL
Boby Todd 33OL
Jeff Akers 36OL

Who else is in the club?

Not even close !!!!

36 OL 502's Stainless Marine headers and the Arizona Speed and marine kit and labbed props only sqeakes out a best of 73mph.

Havent even owned it a year yet though !

I dont think I will be shooting for 90 mph ,,,, I dont want the aggrivation that goes along with it !!!!

MOBILEMERCMAN 06-11-2008 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2586981)
FREQUENCY

You cannot gauge by size alone. It has to be SIZE + FREQUENCY.

If they are 5 seconds apart then I would agree and call BS. But if they are 30 seconds apart then it is a GREAT ride.

Rollers 30 seconds apart ? in a lake ???? are you kidding?
I clearly don't understand lake boat measurements or terminology.

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by MOBILEMERCMAN (Post 2587016)
Rollers 30 seconds apart ? in a lake ???? are you kidding?
I clearly don't understand lake boat measurements or terminology.

??????

Are we not talking here about sea conditions?

There is no such thing as rollers in a lake. There is wake and slop but not rollers.

I assumed when he said 4 foot rollers he ran the boat in the ocean.

The wind to make a four foot wake in a lake would be caused by a tornado and you could not boat.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I assumed we were talking sea conditions here.

MOBILEMERCMAN 06-11-2008 11:53 AM

Dock,
I agree with every thing you just said. You assumed he was in the ocean, I assumed since he from Grand Prairie he was in a lake.

I don't know if it is possible to create a 4 foot roller in an inland lake.
{ Great Lakes not included of course} There must be a formula that includes wind speed and fetch to estimate size.

I have to get back to work break is over.

Dock, enjoy the rest of your day.

JasonSmith 06-11-2008 12:11 PM

The wind was right out of the south at 40 gusting to 50.
Ben the motorman was there along with a few others.
Trust me, they were 4'. When I would idle they would break over the nose of the boat. I'd say they were about 15' apart, peak to peak.

never enuff 06-11-2008 12:12 PM

Jason,
If I wasn't harrassing you you'd think I was mad at you---I agree--you have done a good job on that boat and with the speeds you have run your pretty much on the top of the heap along with a few others!!! :ernaehrung004:
Jay

obnoxus 06-11-2008 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2587029)
??????

Are we not talking here about sea conditions?

There is no such thing as rollers in a lake. There is wake and slop but not rollers.

I assumed when he said 4 foot rollers he ran the boat in the ocean.

The wind to make a four foot wake in a lake would be caused by a tornado and you could not boat.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I assumed we were talking sea conditions here.

unless the lake is Lake Michigan !!! 4-6 is comon for us,,,, 2-4 is a calm day

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2587075)
The wind was right out of the south at 40 gusting to 50.
Ben the motorman was there along with a few others.
Trust me, they were 4'. When I would idle they would break over the nose of the boat. I'd say they were about 15' apart, peak to peak.

WHERE WERE YOU AT?

Put wings on that thing under those conditions and call it an airplane.

TexomaPowerboater 06-11-2008 01:01 PM

1) there are rollers on a lake..............their called cruiser wakes. Or atleast thats my lake terminology

2) I was at Texoma on Saturday and sunday in the same 25mph winds with 40mph gusts. Thats the biggest lake in TX and OK and I did see a 4-5ft chop with an occasional 6 in the middle of the main channel. I doubt any other lake in TX could have produced a 4-5ft chop. The waves were 3-5 seconds apart.

I was good to get up to 50mph in the rough, but then again it was only my 3rd time to have the boat out. I did feel that it could have handled a lot more speed, and I probobly could have used a bigger set of balls. SOOOOOOOOOO if he hugged the shoreline I will say that is very plausible. Those speeds are very impressive nonetheless.

Curious......which lake were you on????

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-11-2008 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by MOBILEMERCMAN (Post 2587016)
Rollers 30 seconds apart ? in a lake ???? are you kidding?
I clearly don't understand lake boat measurements or terminology.

Never seen them 30 second rollers yet but Dock come up to our lake and on a badd day she'll put a hurtin on ya you'll remember :cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-011: Any Vid of that run ready for you tube ???

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2587146)
Never seen them 30 second rollers yet but Dock come up to our lake and on a badd day she'll put a hurtin on ya you'll remember :cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-011: Any Vid of that run ready for you tube ???

Again I am talking about frequency (distance and time apart from one to next) as measured in ocean conditions. I have seen them and have boated in them and when they are far apart it is really nice and you can fly. When they are close together theya re a bear.

Believe me I have a LOT of respect for the boating you guys do up in the Great Lakes. That seperates the men from the boys. After running Lake Erie twice now and and glad my lake is smaller.

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2587136)
1) there are rollers on a lake..............their called cruiser wakes. Or atleast thats my lake terminology

Yes but run over one or two and you are good. Not like an ocean where you have them coming at you continually. I can hit a nice BIG cruiser wake at 70 MPH + and fly high and keep running. Put them back to back to back to back and it is a whole new ball game.


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2587136)
2) I was at Texoma on Saturday and sunday in the same 25mph winds with 40mph gusts. Thats the biggest lake in TX and OK and I did see a 4-5ft chop with an occasional 6 in the middle of the main channel. I doubt any other lake in TX could have produced a 4-5ft chop. The waves were 3-5 seconds apart.

I was good to get up to 50mph in the rough, but then again it was only my 3rd time to have the boat out. I did feel that it could have handled a lot more speed, and I probobly could have used a bigger set of balls. SOOOOOOOOOO if he hugged the shoreline I will say that is very plausible. Those speeds are very impressive nonetheless.

Curious......which lake were you on????

I have been in actual 5-6 six foot seas based on the NOAA weather radio and coast guard reports and believe me you are NOT going to run 50 MPH in them.

I have heard from a lot of folks that it does really get rough on Texoma and I would not be out there if the wind was blowing 40 to 50 MPH but with all due respect I find it hard to believe an inland lake can produce 6 footers (measured as they are in the ocean).

TexomaPowerboater 06-11-2008 02:07 PM

Oh hell.......talked to Corp of engineer who sent me to a Texoma park ranger................who gave me an uneducated guestimate..........said it could have gotten up to 4ft on saturday and he's never seen 5's on Texoma. Also said he hadn't been stationed there very long. Also said there was currently a 2.5-3ft chop and its currently 18mph wind with 26mph gust. So I guess I was in 4's on the main channel of the biggest lake in TX.

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2587253)
Oh hell.......talked to Corp of engineer who sent me to a Texoma park ranger................who gave me an uneducated guestimate..........said it could have gotten up to 4ft on saturday and he's never seen 5's on Texoma. Also said he hadn't been stationed there very long. Also said there was currently a 2.5-3ft chop and its currently 18mph wind with 26mph gust. So I guess I was in 4's on the main channel of the biggest lake in TX.

I know from guys first hand that it gets rough out there for sure. I was told by a guy that if you are on that lake and see a storm coming to "GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY" or it will be bad.

Regardless of the actual size of the wake, roller or what ever the speed Jason got is impressive especially under the conditions.

Be Safe!

JasonSmith 06-11-2008 02:24 PM

I was at Cheney lake in Kansas. 30 miles West of Wichita.
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JasonSmith 06-11-2008 02:35 PM

I can also tell you that is was so rough that 3 people got ejected from a sea-doo boat & were in the water for 2 hours before we found them. The wind was blowing so hard they couldn't catch the thing.
It was rough, if I get water comming over the nose of my boat at idle the rollers & believe me whatever you call them if they roll along & break over like surf they are big & no they ain't whitecaps, the water was BIG!!!!
A friend had his 38 Tempest out & it had water coming in it too.
The water was stupid big & stupid to be out on!
No I wasn't up against shore either!

Dock Holiday 06-11-2008 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2587305)
I can also tell you that is was so rough that 3 people got ejected from a sea-doo boat & were in the water for 2 hours before we found them. The wind was blowing so hard they couldn't catch the thing.
It was rough, if I get water comming over the nose of my boat at idle the rollers & believe me whatever you call them if they roll along & break over like surf they are big & no they ain't whitecaps, the water was BIG!!!!
A friend had his 38 Tempest out & it had water coming in it too.
The water was stupid big & stupid to be out on!
No I wasn't up against shore either!

What possessed you to go out in those conditions?

TexomaPowerboater 06-11-2008 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2587286)
I was at Cheney lake in Kansas. 30 miles West of Wichita.
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Min Temperature 76 °F / 24 °C 62 °F / 16 °C 46 °F / 7 °C (1935)
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Average Humidity 70
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Is there a wave heigth in all that mess???????

TexomaPowerboater 06-11-2008 03:30 PM

I researched Cheney lake. That place is tiny.........less than 9,000 acres. Not even 1/10 the size of Texoma.............no way those were 4ft waves.

JaayTeee 06-11-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2586955)
Jason knows this is a tough crowd!

But he has earned our respect and has done a wonderful job getting everything out of his boat you can.

I hope I can join him in the 90+ MPH club soon.

Jason Smith 29OL
Boby Todd 33OL
Jeff Akers 36OL

Who else is in the club?

On the right day, I sometimes visit

BY U BOY 06-11-2008 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2587427)
I researched Cheney lake. That place is tiny.........less than 9,000 acres. Not even 1/10 the size of Texoma.............no way those were 4ft waves.

Why not?? Lake Conroe is small and I have seen 4'S on that lake.

bowtye8 06-11-2008 06:13 PM

I can say I know 3-5's in a 29OL. Thats why I traded up to the 35OL. I used to get soaked or pounded in the ocean. You can run fast for inoy so long. After about a hour I would slow up but then the trips seems to drag on.
Jason you have done a grat job with your 29OL. A few hicups along the way but your having fun ...Right ?:evilb:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-11-2008 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2587369)
Is there a wave heigth in all that mess???????

I surely could'nt find one Tex:cool:

JasonSmith 06-11-2008 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2587427)
I researched Cheney lake. That place is tiny.........less than 9,000 acres. Not even 1/10 the size of Texoma.............no way those were 4ft waves.

research harder. If you haven't been there or weren't there you know exactally d!ck

27bajaboss 06-11-2008 07:04 PM

Waves on a lake. Ever been to lake erie in buffalo 4-5' waves is a good day 7-8' then we think about going out. But 92 mph in a 29 in 4-5' that must have been a hell of a ride.


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