Baja Outlaws
 

Its winter time here so I cannot boat. All I have to look forward to is the boat show in Feb. I have a brochure for Baja from last years boat show and I was looking at it last night. I have a 1999 29 Outlaw and I noticed that the lines on a 29 are different than a 25 Outlaw and 36 Outlaw and a 40 Outlaw. If you look around just below the deflector shield the 25, 33, 36 and 40's have more of a square look compared to the 29 Outlaw. I really like that look better, its more sleek, and it is a shame that Baja did not carry this look for the 29's. Does anyone know why. Thanks Eric

Not sure why they did that. I have seen posters of 25- 40 out laws running side by side and they did not even put the 29 in the mix:confused: I do know that the 29 is out and they are building a 30 foot that has the lines of the rest and is supposed to be alot faster with the same power then the 29. Just have to wait and see.
Mark

Bige,
Not sure why, but that's a good observation. It's been discussed before and I don't ever recall getting a firm inclination of what the reason. Maybe there was a leftover mold from another line and it was easier than recreating.

Word has it, though that the new 30 Outlaw will share the lines of the other outlaws.

A 30 Outlaw??? I must live in a cave. When are they coming out with that?? Does anyone have any photos of it? Is it going to have both the single and twin engine options. I know you can only get a 302 boss with a twin set up. Eric

well guys the 29 is a follow up on the "euro lines" and the other boats follow the lines of the "east coast" builders, the 29 will still be available for a couple more years, they are not going to stop making them, at least right now anyway!

bige,

Baja is indeed building a 30 Outlaw, which is supposed to be incredible. Looks will be inproved(imo), it's supposed to be faster and lighter than a comparable 29. I first learned about it at the Miami boat show last year and it is supposed to be debuted at the 2003 Miami show.

Some people here have even seen it, but no pics yet.

:cool:

I don't see how they could make both models because of the havoc that would create in pricing them. There would have to be a big enough gap in price between the 29 and 30 or else you would not sell any 29's Too big of a gap and a buyer will just move up to a 33. I don't see how they could pull it off.

as i recall, when the 29' came out in 1997,
the 25, 33,36, and 40 were not out yet,
the 36 came out in mid 1997, the 25, and
33 came out in 1998, the 40 in 2000.
baja must have obviosly figured out
that the 36 looked better than the 29,
and made the rest of the lineup resemble
the 36.
my only complaint on the 29 is the
rear vent styling.
otherwise i love the boat.

29 outlaw
 

I love the boat too, but you are right, I don't care much the side vents either, I wish they made them like the 25's, 33, 36 and 40 outlaws, I also like the more square look these boats have below the wind deflector

hey 29 outlaw, whats going on, I do agree with you on what you said, I was just going off of what a Baja salesman was telling me, the 29's will come down a hair in price, the 30 will be a little more than what the 29 use to be, and after a year or two he said they will cancel the 29, I have heard that the molds were getting old, don't know if that is true though
Mark

There is no way any boat builder is going to LOWER the price of new boats. If anything, the price of 29’s will hold as-is and the price of 33’s and 36’s will go up. The 30 will sit in the remaining gap. Or perhaps, Baja will do the same thing with the 29 Outlaw as Reggie is doing with the 32 Fever. With the phasing out of the 32 Fever, Reggie is offering killer deals on 32 Fevers. But if you read the fine print, his killer deal is only on 32’s that have twin small blocks. Sounds like lots of smoke and mirrors. I wonder if Baja will offer killer deals on 29 Outlaws with similar smoke and mirrors. Who needs a 32 Fever or a 29 Outlaw with twin small blocks???

A first time bier that thinks he doesn’t need all that power!! LAMO

I can see the guy now "twin engines and the boat goes 55 holy cow I will tak it" but after one poker run "damn I have the slowest boat here what will it take to get me to 80" after a visit back to the dealer "holw sh&* I guess I should have bought it with big blocks"

you are right Chris, I have went to the north store and looked at there boat inventory, 6.2 and 496mag's are it, they had a guy on the casino run with a 29 with 6.2's in it, I would be mad if I had that boat, my H2x would outrun him, but hey its all in what a person wants, maybe someone out there only wants to cruise!!!!!

29 Outlaw - I have a 1999 29 Outlaw with a single 502 mag in it, 415hp. I love it for me and my wife, granted a part of me wants dual 502's for more control when I dock, but then again another part of me likes of the convienience of one motor (less weight so my existing 8000# hydro hoist picks the boat out fine, less fuel consumption, I only have to winterize one motor, I only have to change oil in one motor, my 1500 Siverado pulls it fine - I don't think it would with twins). Granted, I'm not a speed demon who feels the need to go 75 mph every hour I run the boat, but the boat planes up in a hurry with K planes (less weight) and it has plenty of power. I have not tested the speed of the boat yet (throttle burried) because I bought it late this year and had to winterize. But the two times I took it out prior to winterization I found myself cruising easily at 53 on gps with just over half throttle. I do feel sorry for the guy on the dock two slips down from me who has the same boat with a 454 in it, 330hp, now thats a dog. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

single engine 29's
 

I first saw a single engine 29 at loto in 1997 and had to do a double take. I wondered who would order one that way. After riding around in the giant washtub wakes it became clear. I assume they cost a bit less than a twin and handle the rough a whole lot better than a 25. Actually I have never seen a single engined 29 anywhere else.;) ;) ;)

Garshev - There are a fair amount of them down there. I know a guy across the cove who is selling one that has a 500hp in it. I almost bought it, but it wasn't as clean as the one I bought. That one pushed 65 easily. My previous boat was a 252 Islander, so you can imagine the difference in the ride now. Maybe I don't know any better, but my 29 sure rides a hell of a lot better that the 252 Islander. I actually aim for waves made by the big cruisers now instead of slowing down and trying to avoid them when I had my Islander.

Are you guys still boating down there?? I hear they have a Christmas parade of boats. If thats true im f@#$%$# jealous!
:D :D :D :D

I'm going down this Thursday and Friday just to get away drink some beer, stare at my boat on the lift and tinker around. I haven't heard about a Christmas parade but that doesn't mean anything. They may have one I don't know. I'm all winterized up and put away, so I'm in the same predicament you are. I know they do have a St. Pats parade of boats in March though. Thats not all that far off, as far as I'm concerned December is over, only about 21/2 to 3 months to go.

outlaw
 

have a 1997 29 outlaw with a single 502 mag mpi.

i am interested to see what you other guys have done to yours
as far a mods, props,air cleaners,exhaust, ect...


jcboats

Add another engine!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D

Man - you guys are brutal

more hp
 

chris:


i am in the middle of researching super chargers....
i am leaning more toward whipple. i have talked to a few people in the off shore world that have loads of experience with both and they are pointing me to whipple...

i still might just end up ading a flame arrestor,exhaust, fuel preasure reg. and doing some prop work. i have talked to darin at houstom propeller and he seems to think i can get 2-3 mph out of my present 21p mirage.

jcboats

jcboats - just for your info my 29 Outlaw had a procharger on it now it does not. I am the third owner. The owner that had the boat before I did bought it used from GSC marine. At that time it had a procharger on it. The guy I bought the boat off of had GSC take the procharger off of it because the boat ran like crap. After they took it off the engine still ran like crap. GSC on good faith warranty work dropped a new stock 502 mag in the boat. Now the boat runs fine. Just some info. A reputable mechanic at LOTO said prochargers are okay but they do require a lot of engine maintenance and they have to be installed correctly. I am happy with my stock 502 mag, I tell myself is it really worth the risk of not being able to boat after working all week because I am trying to gain 7 to 10 mph and my procharger or whipple charger has screwed up my stock 502. I'm sure I will get a lot of disagreement on this but, this is just my opinion. I like to boat and do minor maintenance on engines, but I don't like to do it every weekend especially after working all week.

Hey bige,

I agree with you 100%. Heck, the reason you bought a boat with only one engine was to reduce your maint headaches. I can't think of a quicker way to increase your maint headaches that to install an SC.

outlaws
 

bige,29 outlaw

these are the exact reasons i went with a single engine larger boat. i have had 3 twin screw boats (fountain and 2 searays) there is a lot more maintanance. i live in CA. and last summer the gas prices were $2.30 plus per gallon on he water...($1.90 on land) plus i can do almost all the work myself, there is so much room in the engine room with one motor!!!

jcboats

jcboats - I think the highest I paid at LOTO this summer was $1.95/gallon on the water, $2.30/gal on water is unbelievable!! That would take a lot of fun out of boating. I bought my 29 in late Oct. and I have filled it up once before I put it away for the winter, I was only able to take it out 2 times for a total of about 2 hours running time. I went from a 90 gal tank on a 252 Islander to the 125 gallon tank on the Outlaw. How long can you go between fill ups on the 29? Do you have the 502mag? What year is yours? I thought I was the only black sheep on this page with a single 29. Glad to see that there is someone else that does not think I am so stupid. Thanks - Eric

outlaw
 

bige:

i usally keep around 30-50 gallons in the tank, i try to keep the weight low so i can get max speed..

i also have the 502 mpi mag motor, it is a 97' model.

i put a simrick drive shower on last summer and made a big
difference.. i highly recomend them, this is my third shower from simrick.

i have a 21p prop it turns @ 4900 rpm and i see 57 on gps

i am going to have the prop worked on (i think)

what prop are your running and what speeds are you seeing?

have you done any mods to yours??

it is good to talk to others with the same boat!!


jc

JC - Thats what I thought too, I will probably only keep about 90 gallons in the tank and I will call that full, I filled it up before I put it away because my buddy told me that its not that good to winterize a boat on about 1/2 tank or less. I always filled my old 252 Islander up though. I'm not real sure what pitch prop I am running, how do you check that? As far as speed the original owner told me that the boat will go in the high 50's or so. The short time I ran the boat, I did not bury the throttle, but I did have the throttle a little past half way and I was running 53 on the GPS, and 50 on speedo. I usually only ran WOT for about 30 to 45 seconds every 20 hours on my old boat - someone told me that WOT is good for a boat every 20 hours). I really don't like to run an engine hard because I like them to last.

You said you have a simrick drive shower on your boat and said it made a big difference, I am assuming only in the chalky white residue that may develop on the stern drive. I have a drive shower also but mine is a pretty simple one. I'm not sure what brand it is, but it consists of a simple flexible stainless steel hose that goes up to the top of the drive, from there it connects to a simple looking mount that attaches to the cap of the stern drive. I think it is an older one, it sure does do a good job though, my drive looks like it is new. The previous owner told me that its been on the boat since day one. My boat is a 1999.

As far as drive showers, there are a couple of people on my dock that have the type that runs up to a stainless steel plate that fits on top of the stern drive. I really like the looks of those a lot better than the current one I have and I was thinking about replacing mine. Is that a simrick? Is that the type you have? If it is not, what are your thoughts on those? Sorry for rambling on so long. Also let me know how you determine the pitch of your prop. I still have a lot to learn about this boat, its a shame that I have to wait 3 more months until the weather breaks to where I can start the boat up again. You are lucky you live in sunny Cal.. Stay in touch. Eric

bige:


i have never actualy winterized any of my boats. i always drain the block and the mainfolds. so far this year we have only seen mid 30's and it only is that cold for a couple of hours early in the a.m.

the simrick drive showers seem to be one of the best on the market. i have talked to the owner many times over the last couple of years. his showers are a ss tube that bolts to one of the top cap bolts on the drive and runs down both sides of the drive and goes right thru the cavitation plate (you need to drill 2 holes on the plate, it is a good looking piece of hardware) they claim that it lowers the temp 50 degs.

to find the pitch or your prop, look at center (hub) of the prop, there will be a series of no's and you find a few no's that stand alone "21p" or 23p" this is your pitch. let me know what you are running.

as far as your throtle, i notice that i get mine up to approx. 3/4 wide open and the rest of the travel gets me nothing, it's like i am already wide open and still have more travel on the lever.

jc

prop calc.
 

chris:

good call on the prop calc.!!!

i entered in all the data (i used 12 for the slip) and i came up with 57.9 this is right on the money per gps readings last summer.

how is slip calculated??

i would like to try different props to find the "right" one.

i know most all prop shops have prop exchange programs.

jc

JC-
Thats kind of how my old boat was too between about half throttle and full throttle I only gained about 2 to 4 miles per hour. I suspect this new one is the same way. Do you have to take the prop off to see those numbers? Thanks - Eric

bige,
the 29 outlaw has a 150 gallon
fuel tank, at least my last two
have, brochure spec's also list
150 gallons.
I also very rarely fill mine up
either, but on rough weekends
it does improve the ride.
i feed 2 hp 500's, and if i do
fill it up that tank will run quite a
while, since on the normal weekends
it's pretty tough to run much over
65 and keep it in the water, until you
get past tantara, then it settles down.
our home base is right near the big easy,
the have college girls pumping gas, free ice,
and coozies, so we don't mind buying gas
down there.
j.t.

JT - You are right, I have a 2002 model brochure from the St. Louis boat show last February, I just looked at it and it shows a 152 gallon fuel tank. I have only put gas in my boat once because I bought it in October. I filled it up at the Amoco station right before you cross the Grand Glaze bridge, it was reading 1/2 tank on the gauge and I put 53 gallons in it. That would explain why the gauge did not go to full, I thought the gauge may have been off, because my old boat was like that. When I got to 1/2 of a tank on the gauge of my old boat I filled it up, because I did not want to chance running out of gas. I let that happen one time and vowed to never let it happen again. The guy I bought the boat from told me it had a 125 gallon tank.

You are running twin 500hp's, I bet your boat hauls. My buddy has a 27 Fever with a single 500hp and his boat runs pretty good.
My wife and I have a small 1 bedroom condo at Heron Bay (right next to Shooters). I have not ventured very far past Tan Tara with the exception of snake cove. Have you been there? Kind of a neat little cove to go to once in a while.

I have seen the advertisements for the big easy, we need to head down that way this summer, how far past Tan Tara is it? I would also like to head down to big dicks halfway inn, I heard that place in pretty fun. I am always nervous about going down to that end of the lake just for the fact that I am not very familiar with it. I can see now that this will have to change.

We spend a lot of our time at Porto Cima cove, Dock Knockers, Salty Dog, Horny Toad and Backwater Jacks. Do you go to Porto Cima cove very much? I guess they are closing that cove to the public this coming spring. I wonder where everyone else will go? Do you know? I kind of got tired of going to party cove because of water patrol and all of the idiots, plus idling so far now. As you can tell I am pretty long winded on the computer. Its nice to talk to people that go down to the lake. Talk to you later. Eric

pitch
 

bige:

you should be able to read the pitch on the base of the hub between the blades...


jc

props
 

chris:

nice calculator!!

if i enter in a 23 pitch (i have a 21 now) it gives me 63 mph. i know that will not happen.. like you said this does not take into account size and weight of boat!!

jc

eric,
never been to snake cove,
been to all the other places you mentioned,
ther'e building a marina in porto cima cove,
and , yes i heard they were closing it.
The big easy, and pointe oasis (that's the
gas dock) are in the west arm of chimney
cove,(13 mile marker) it's the next big cove
west of porto cima cove.
Big dicks is 22 miles from tan tara, waters
plenty deep, it's a good time there.
Now back to what the last few post have been
about.
Anybody think a 22p bravo 1 four blade would
work?, sometimes big, single engine boats run
well with four blades.
I think the decrease in slip percentage
with the four blade would offset
the added drag of the extra blade,
carrying this kind of load at this speed range.
my .02
jt

props
 

jt:

i would think that the 4-blade would give more stability and handeling, but i would loose some top end...

maybe worth a try!!

jc