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How much interest do you think there is in outboard power for our 24 compared to sterndrives?

Their would definately be interest! Due mostly to the increase in cockpit space when a bracket is used.

People who leave their boats in the water all the time will like the outbaords better or if you plan on a center console model, those people will like the egg beaters.

Looking at pantera's 24 model over the years most are I/O's

Of 46 Pantera 24's boats. 38 are I/O's, 4 are twin outboard and 4 are single outboard.

Looking at Banana Boat LTD out of port edgewood, seems most of the 1981 to 1992 boats were twin outboard design and sold really well in New England.

:drink:

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I agree that there would be interest in the outboards. But I'm sure that there would be interest in the I/O as well. It would be cool to maybe see some "greener" outboards on one without sacrifice of performance.

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i like the idea :D btw whats model is the last pick of? looks awesome :evilb:

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The last photo with the multi outboards is a Magnum in a Bahamas race.

Okay next question: We want to keep control over the quality of the rigging on the new outboard boats we sell....I guess that means that we sell only outboard boats fully rigged.

What kind of market do we have now?

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AD, are you saying only 46 24s have been built? Just curious how you know this.
And I think a 24 OB is a great idea. And sell them rigged.
If someone has their own ob to throw on, let them ship it to you.

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ya i agree wit storm, if someone has some custom beefed up o/b they wanan use then they can have you rig it, cuse ya dont want just anyone riggin em half azz makin for a bad rigging reputation on sumthin you all didnt even rig. btw id think a 24 w/ twin 2.5s would be awesome

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The above begs the question:
(1) Who would be doing the rigging at the factory?
(2) Who is setting the definition of quality?
(3) How is quality defined?
(4) Will the rigging be reflected in the boat's warranty?

Just curiousity questions that I would have relating to "factory rigging"?

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think 24 with a single 275 Verado will suit the Swedish market well.

Hey Charlie, what color scheme are you planing?? The classic clean style or this multi-tutti-frutti-color-tribal style?

I prefer the first....

Cant wait to see some pix of the new boats,

Mange

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We are planning on solid colors...classic combinations. If a customer wants flash, we will sell them a plain white boat and they can go for it with one of the painters that are out there.

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When we built these boats last time, everyboat was rigged to "Race Spec"...that defines quality to me.

I didn't say we would rig them at the facotry, I said we wanted to control the quality of the rigging....that would mean perhaps a good outside shop that has a reputation.

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Hi Storm:

Not saying only 46 were built. Have no clue, but I like to use facts instead of guess, so I went to the pantera web site into the photo gallery which shows a lot of the boats they have built since the late 70's. I counted all the 24' models and seperated them by power set up.

--AD :cool:

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Gotya...

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I think a good standard of rigging is "Grants rigging shop"

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If we look at the offshore market in general I'd say I/O is much more popular but It would be nice to see a new boat offered other then a fish boat with OBs on it.

If you ask that OB quality control question on Scream and Fly you will get flamed off the site.

You could offer them rigged with a bracket of thier choosing.
It might be safe to say that most idiots could take it from there.
I'm sure I could be surprised.

You could offer it both ays and let your orders decide how many to build

Evan

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How many different OB rigging set ups (types) are there really? 4? Merc, E-rude/johnson, honda, or yamaha? Would this be a safe list? And I think that yam and honda are interchangeable? So that would be three. Short of selling with the actual OB, what about selling them rigged to the point of "Plug and Play"? Just mount the motor, plug it in and off they go. That way you could control the quality of the rigging, and not have to limit a prospective buyer to one type of OB vs. another. Don't know if its possible, but figured I'd throw it out there.

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In case it wasn't realized, there are a lot of combinations within the four you list....especially with Mercury and Yamaha. Also keep in mind, unless it is a left over you cannot even buy a new "carbureted" or "EFI" outboard anymore...in larger HP ratings.

On the Mercury side you have choices (depending on the model) between;

Shift-- DTS or mechanical

Gauges--Smartcraft (digital), SmartCraft with System Link Gauges, or (old style) analog gauges.....or any combination of the three (that is not to mention adding mechanical gauges).

Basically there would be a great numbers of combinations that someone can come up with depending on what they want and how they want to get to that point.


On the Yamaha side you also have choices between;

Gauges-- Command Link (CAN Bus system), standard Yamaha Multifunction Gauges (Digital), and/or analog gauges.....or a combination of the above.

Long story short, the rigging options can be expansive or simple.....most "production" boats make it simple by limiting a buyers options. To the point a lot of buyers don't realize just how many options there are out there.

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What is the benefit to the manufacturer to selling the boat unrigged, and what is the benefit of the buyer to buying it that way?

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I am not trying to step on toes...but IMO:

Without a large dealer network how is a manufacturer going to warranty the rigging (short of possibly carted a boat across the country). A lot of problems with today's boats and motors arise from rigging (batt, cable specs, etc.). I understand a manufacturer wanting to control set-up....so the manufacturer should mount the fuel tank, cut the drive hole or mount the OB bracket, even mount the trim tabs. I understand a manufacturer wanting to control the look of a new boat....so build the interior and seats, and install them.

IMO....benefit to a buyer is the possibility of getting a new boat "EXACTLY" the way they want it. I would expect this of a "semi-custom" manufacturer.

If you can't get this from a new boat then a buyer may as well save the depreciation and buy a late-model used boat and adjust that exactly to his/her liking.

JB

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I would expect the new "Banana Boat Co." to be building to the customers tastes, exactly the way they(the customer) wants it.
The quality control I would want from Banana? Would be the boat doesn't leave until Charlie thinks its good enough for himself. That would be good enough for me.

The major benefit to the customer who buys an unrigged boat is cost.

Just like buying a new construction home. If your a handyman, then you can save money buy doing a lot of stuff yourself. Essentially you get to install the equipment you want, right off the bat instead of un-installing the factory stuff, making repairs, then installing the stuff you want.

The major benefit to Banana Boat Co. to selling unrigged boats is cost.

They don't have to spend as much to produce a product.

I think the reasoning behind Charlie not wanting to sell unrigged boats is simple, it is his and his sons company.

As soon as they send a blank hull out that is not complete, what ever happens to it still represents them. If the guy is a jug head and puts a chrysler outboard on the back, pontoon boat seats, a bow pulpit from a sport fisherman and speaker wire for all the wiring, it is still a Banana Boat.

Then 5 years go buy. Someone buys it that can't afford a new one and finds himself owning a solid designed hull with a buffet of crap all over it. Do you think when he can afford a new one he will want one after his experience?

Word of mouth travels too fast.

Lets face it, not many of us, including myself, can afford a new boat.

My theory is, if a guy can't afford the whole boat, then he will not be able to afford quality components to install after he gets the blank hull.

For this reason, you can almost be certain that the quality will be less than if Banana Boat Co. completed the boat.

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Airdog, I agree... I see too many older Panteras that were sold unrigged, and now they are the black sheep. People know which they are, and that the work done was not up to par of the factory's rigging.
Now I believe Pantera will not sell an unrigged boat for this reason.

Buying a semicustom, like pantera or Banana, will not have the same rigging as a production boat. Why do you think the LIPSHIP editions of the cigs are so highly regarded?

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Your right about the pantera. I think it was the black one with the jungle paint job.

The hull is great, but everything else makes the boat look cheap.

Too bad...