It's funny what a convenient memory you have. You told me you sent the crank to a shop in Tennessee while you had the boat. Now it went to Bobby Warren's in Clinton, NC.
If it was never magnafluxed then it wasn't discovered. You generally do that when you straighten and turn a crank,(as you said was done) or at least they did in my day. It saves a lot of time, work and money to check it for cracks before turning and straightening and balancing (another thing you got wrong) Since Bobby Warren is 73 years old and has been building motors since I was born it makes me wonder if you sent him the crank, or if he's another scapegoat. I'll check with him tomorrow to see if he has any record or recollection of turning and straightening a crank for you without checking to see if it was cracked, anytime between September 2007 and March of 2008, as I have always had the greatest respect for both Bobby and his family and the quality of their work as well as their racing accomplishments.

Tennesse?? That would have been a little far to drive to with a crank from Wilmington. Check it out, You do that Danny. You know I did'nt have a crank grinder, and obliously it WAS ground. But you probably don't believe that either. I does'nt really matter if you believe me or not. And no, Bobby doesn't grind cranks anymore, as he is'nt even there during the week. Joey Warren runs the shop, and when I was last up there, some other guy was running the grinder. But good luck with your new cranks and builds. Hope it all works out for you.

Speaking of convienent memories though... Do you remember when I suggested replacing the crank??? You did'nt want to here anything about that! Or I'am I the only one with amnesia?

You know Danny, why are you even posting here?? Bleachers sports bar canceled his builds cause we were taking too long. Demands $4500 back. Which I said I would do. In the mean time, He and others slam me and my services so bad that the 7 engines that were in house get canceled. Basicly all the bad press was the final nail in the coffin from by times that were going sort of a rye. I'm not looking for any scapegoat. I made my bed, and I'm prepared to lie in it. I'm not looking for sypathy or understanding from anyone. I understand that the buck stops with me, and that some things did not go well. Unfortunetly, your engines went sour after the overheating. Everything else you claim I have yet to see, but thats another story. Point is I will do whatever is possible to rectify all situations and requests that are at all resonable. Hell, I played the 200mil powerball last week, if I won, I'd a called Reggie and sent ya a damn new Fountain! I always though you were good and fair guy Danny, I hate this turned into a cancer. On the other hand I can only do what I can, on whats possible. For me to supply someone with money make, at this instant is impossible, whether they feel owed or not. I promised to take care of Bleachers, but the constant bashing, along with other people, who have no right speaking, has crippled me at this time. YES, some engines went bad. I'm human man. Its no excuse though. I'm pretty much still young, 36 yrs. to be exact. I feel I'm pretty decent skillwise. I will bounce back. It may take a long time, people may think I'm a scumbag now, or maybe they will always think that, I don't know. But i will do my best to do the right thing. And eventually I feel I will fair better than today.

OLSKOOL. Your a POS. Glad you've been called out here by so many OSOers you've phucked over. Unfortunately I'm sure you will never make good on any the money you've robbed these people of. I've met azz wipes like you in the past. Nothing short of a POS. Your day will come azz phuck.

The way my engines turned out, I probably came out ahead with a cracked BRC crank, because I'm sure you would have sold me new billet Callies cranks when you were getting the money, and then you would put stock cast Chevy's in, probably out of the junk yard, thinking I would never know the difference, just like you did on the JE pistons I paid for but got KB cast, or the high dollar roller lifters but got Federal Mogul, or the Feria valves but got a no name brand, or the Eagle rods with no Eagle insignia, or the balance job on the rotating assemblies that is not in balance, or the valve guides with .004 clearance. No my memory is real good, kind of like an elephant's.

The reason I come on here and post is to expose a fraud. When you take money under false pretense, it is a fraud. If you had acted with good intention and pure motive and my engines blew up, then I could raise hell, but I couldn't say you had committed a fraud. You did that, when you promised by brand name, specific parts, and then delivered and concealed inferior, cheaper, parts in their place without telling me beforehand, or getting my approval to do so. That's fraud and it's criminal. You think you can come on and explain your actions away and no one will think any different, or feel sorry for you, and everything will be all right. I did feel sorry for you initially, but then I see you are a career fraud, and I'm glad someone is trying to make your life miserable.

Back when I was dealing with him and his brother when he firsted moved to NC it was the same BS. I was supposedly buying 2 small blocks built by Blue Lightning Marine in NY that he was selling. The stories started getting more and more fishy every time I talked to him so I called Blue Lightning directly and they laughed and said we havent built small blocks in about 10yrs. After speaking to the Prince brothers again I got some BS about, well maybe we just thought they were built by Blue Lightning, it might have been the place next door that doesnt have a sign, or the guy used to work for Blue Lightning, or we got the parts from Blue Lightning, on and on. That was enough with the BS, send me my deposit back and then the chase was on. The stories he tells are sometimes downright ridiculous, other times, you almost want to believe him. My feelings are that he is the type of person, that given the opportunity, will phuck you.

I hope it works out for the rest of you.

[QUOTE=scarabman;2708064] My feelings are that he is the type of person, that given the opportunity, will phuck you.QUOTE]

I think he has proven that for sure.

Mark, having those wonderful engines rebuilt after only 50 hours, good work. Here is a surprise the parts you used were crap. What a shock. Just trying to keep your memory alive on OSO.

If you got 50 hours, you must have got his good stuff.

I think so, too bad he's so far away. Now I'm forced to go to an engine builder that knows what he's doing and shows you the parts, what he charges for them and will actually put them in the engine. That's not to say Mark did not know what he was doing, he knew he was ripping people off.

So glad to have read this, being in NC & considering rebuilding motors.
Thans OSO

50 hours, you must have got his good stuff:eek:

If you need motors call DEAN GELLNER in OHIO Hes Mr. horsepower on oso, I sent him a motor that was built by a big name guy in NJ, to inspect and rebuild it cause my friend had the twin to this but his together so he threw it in his boat never ran right,1st cam got eaten, then the bottom went south he need pistons, bored out total rebuild. so DEAN FOUND the same mistakes on mine and had to go machine the heads block rebalance change cam to better one, carbs too, so we are looking at over 1000hp when done on 93/94 octane its a 1071/572 its my dream machine always wanted a nice blower motor to get me to 100,my old motor will be a back up since its 650hp and that will go to dean next year we figure with a custom cam and intake change we will see 720hp, the intake is top secret:p he is a smart guy easy to talk to he did a nice job on some OLs that was in power boat mag. his shop phone# is 216 398 8500 they had a race boat in key west again and on FF VIDEO in the beginning you see a race boat its red and on top says dean gellner engineering , so anyone looking for a great builder to work with he is your man. artie

yep, that sums it up!! i had to have everything redone that he said he did. anyone in that are be aware that he is still working --either for himself in a whole in the wall, or for someone else ( i am sure claiming to be better then we all know he is)

and yes--50 hrs, you may have actually gotten 1 brand name part.

Yep, I got a brand name part, it was the block that I paid extra for (world). Plus my intake and carburetors that he said he rebuilt. I had to have them rebuilt again.

i feel your pain

Hey Mark just trying to keep your good name number 1 on this category.

Wow Being a Newer Member...... I read all of these... This CHIT is CRAZY....

I am surprised that people get away with this stuff. Well not that they do. It will all come around in time But for most of us it usually affects our summers.....

Good luck.. I have learned a lot from all the post...:food-smiley-007:
I guess I will sit back and wait for the results

My end result was an additional twenty-five thousand dollars spent to undo the mess that I paid seventeen thousand dollars to Mark Prince the first time around, and this time to put in all the parts I paid him for the first time around that he did not, but claimed he did. The difference this time around, I found a builder with good references, great equipment, great shop, and someone who would tell the truth no matter what. The builder kept me informed at all times, allowed me in during assembly to see that what I was paying for was what I got. I know what went into the builds, have the receipts from the builder to prove what went in, and have the dyno sheets to prove that the performance and quality is there. Instead of a test stand, touted to be a dyno, this builder had a real dyno, that reported real results and adjustments were made by this builder to achieve the very best results with the parts being utilized. This time around I got 692 horsepower at 5700 rpm's and 700 pounds of torque at 4700 rpm's and have paperwork to prove it. Yes, it costs a little more to go with a reputable builder, but you can see what it cost me to do business with Mark Prince. Oh yes, I have a large collection of parts that would be good in a pleasure boat or family car for sale. Those being the ones that I paid for the brand name top shelf high dollar parts and got the low buck no name pieces instead. I'm sure other members got similar results once they found someone trustworthy to replace the $hit Mark Prince put in their engines. I doubt he'll ever go to jail or be made to compensate any one of the customers he $hit on, but by keeping this thread fresh it might keep someone else from getting phucked by him.

I read this because I seen perform330 was from West Chester. I went into his profile to see if I had seen him on the water. We are with in 40 minutes of each other. Another puzzling this he went to NC to get motor work. There is about 4 AWESOME buildings local. There is one in PA about 25 minutes from us. Has his own dyno. I know a few people local that travel abroad. All have there own horror stories. I just can't see good luck in sending something so far away and getting the treatment you PAY for. We have 3 horror stories on the Upper Chesapeake bay from guys that lost ALL summer from out of town engine builders..

I like this forum. It enlightens people of what can truly happen. When you read about it here it seems like it has hit close to home......
Good people just tyring to enjoy there passion.... Someone else taking advantage...

Good luck

Well I have not posted in a little while but after reading some of this crap it reminded me of my 2 1/2 year battle with Greg Porcello of Porcello Racing Engines in Hattisburg, MS. Search this forum for the full story. After blowing around 17,000 on fairly basic engines that never ran over 3 hrs straight and re-done by this guy 3 times I took them somewhere else. Have 135 hrs on them now without a hitch. Greg Porcello sued me for 2,500 that he said I owed him. Went to court a few months ago. Real idiot. I did not deny I would not pay the last 2,500 after already spending 17,000 for nothing. Had to get lawyer. Mine wants me to sue engine builder for the 17 grand. I refuse cause I'm just not like that but agree to counter sue for 2,500 for breech of contract. I won but in the end it is buisness as usual for him. He clamed a loss toward his buisness for the money he said I owed him and still was trying to get some more from me. I did not get 2,500 because it just cancels out what he sued me for. So I am out for lawyer fees.Glad it is over and have learned some hard lessons. I thank Mark at Precision in New Orleans for the heads, RM Builder for cams and Thank Wall to Wall Racing in Livingston, La for the build.
Although this bad crap happens, fight it and keep their names fresh with everyone and hopefully they will get whats coming to them.
BEWARE

Has anything more gone on with this story? I know this guy stole quite a bit of money from another customer. I did some research with the police and the address he gives, the 349 Military Cutoff Rd. is owned and registered to the local power company. There also is no company in Wilmington, NC named Custom Performance Machine Co.

I would like to know if he ever moved up this way. Just want to keep an eye out for him.

Heresay has his brother opened up a shop under a new name, doing boat repairs and hi perf marine engine work, with Mark working with the brother. Can't confirm any of this. The brother supposedly put the water pumps on my new engines and reversed the suction and pressure lines. You can paint the rest of the picture yourself.

MER Performance is the only place to go for you guys in the Carolinas especially in the Myrtle Beach areas....

843 399-8785

I'll second that. MER is a straight shooter, won't cut any corners, has great equipment and knows how to use it, and he makes big reliable horsepower. Wish I had known he was here before I got entangled with the subject of this thread. MER made my stuff right, and I would definitely reccomend him.

I Too Have Been Stung
 

I purchased a supercharged engine from Mark Prince back in December 2007 and after numerous excuses and having to involve the Willmington Sheriffs Department we finally received the engine on the 19/01/2009 but their was no supercharger, distributor, and a lot of external parts were missing, as I am in New Zealand to buy the missing parts is going to cost me another $8,000NZ, so I hope he gets what he deserves for giving the American people a bad name.
Dave[email protected]

I Too Have Been Stung
 

I too have paid the amount of $8,000US for a engine that I have been waiting for,for over 1 year,when it finally turned up it was not complete I do have proof of what I paid via a money transfer.
This a#@*hole needs to be locked up for a very long time.
Dave[email protected]

If it looks and smells like sh!t, it is sh!t. Mark Prince should be serving time.

***ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE (NOT) IN DEALING WITH MARK PRINCE AND BEEN RIPPED OFF***

Please contact ;

Detective Randy Eslick
104 Nth 4th Street
Willington, NC 28401
office- 910-798-4274
fax- 910-772-7804
email: [email protected]

The more people contact him the better case he can build against him, so please contact him.

Cheers Dave

After reading 11+ pages of this thread about dealings with Mark Prince not one SATISFIED customer has stood up for this guy. Has he done anything right for any other OSO member?

i feel your pain

Will do this Monday.

The following bold print is the last time that I had contact with Mark Prince. He said that he would have me all paid up by November, December, January, February, and now here is March and still NO GOD DAMNED REPREVATION!!!!!!! His cell # is 910-431-6747. His email address is:[[email protected]]

whatever man, if thats what you got to do, go for yours. Post my new address to if you like, I work at a machine shop in CT. 561 Railroad ave., Bridgeport CT. I'll eventually get myself back together, its taking more time than I thought, **** is rough out there. I told you I was going to help you out, and i would. But if you can't stand not slandering and defaming my character like the rest of them, i can't stop you. All the neg. publicity has made it almost impossible for me to continue, but of course I'm supposed to, so I can right everyone that feels were wronged.

The following bold print is the last time that I had contact with Mark Prince. He said that he would have me all paid up by November, December, January, February, and now here is March and still NO GOD DAMNED REPREVATION!!!!!!! His cell # is 910-431-6747. His email address is:[[email protected]]

whatever man, if thats what you got to do, go for yours. Post my new address to if you like, I work at a machine shop in CT. 561 Railroad ave., Bridgeport CT. I'll eventually get myself back together, its taking more time than I thought, **** is rough out there. I told you I was going to help you out, and i would. But if you can't stand not slandering and defaming my character like the rest of them, i can't stop you. All the neg. publicity has made it almost impossible for me to continue, but of course I'm supposed to, so I can right everyone that feels were wronged.

I dont know man, I am no expert, but the Mark seems to think his feelings are as valuable as money.

"but of course I'm supposed to, so I can right everyone that feels were wronged."
After reading this its not about who FEELS they were wronged, its about the FACT that you made promises and failed to keep them.
I am a business owner and have had many ups and downs the worst being getting stuck with $875,000.00 SBA loan from a partner who quit and filed bancruptcy. That was 7 years ago and I am down to the last $40,000.00. Did I want to pay it back? NO could I have sat around making excuses and not working toward a method to pay it back? YES. All the BS about health and bad times are just excuses. During my situation My wife left- my Mom died and I had to start completely over. All while trying to be a good dad to my kids. No one is defaming your character but you! You continuously seek out pity for all sorts of item you can control. If you actually have the talent you claim just go do something about it. Even in my worst of times the people I used to owe money to appreciated a phone-call and even if it was only $50.00 I kept sending them something.
Hell I started 2009 with the loss of my largest client (outsourced to India) and my second largest client found dead with a self inflicted bullet wound in his car. (his company still owes me 50K ). But instead of whining I am out making cold calls smiling and dialing and have landed 3 new clients. Its a chore, but its what you do if you have any conscience about what you owe and promised to pay.
Mark just get off you butt and work this out with these guys.

Ok I am off my Dr Phil soapbox now. WOW I feel better. Gotta go sell something now.

"Character" is required to do the right thing. Mark doesn't possess that quality.

Rip off by Mark A. Prince from wilmington, NC
 

Hello Bleacher,
I would like information about Mr Prince because I have been rip off with a machinery that supposedly he was selling and then I made the payment does not send the machines that I paid for.the guy has disappeared and no answer my calls or emails?

My Email: [email protected]
appreciate your collaboration.

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