Originally Posted by SinOjos (Post 3636184)

Sucks every time I see one of the theft threads. Unfortunately, there is little chance that stolen items get returned now days.

Here in Tucson Az. They do not respond to burglaries at all anymore. You have to phone it in, hence no fingerprints, investigation, nothing. That is department policy. I have wondered if the insurance companies have a hand in this policy, as it makes people purchase more insurance as they know there is no chance of recovery. I am not in the insurance industry any longer, but a friend told me, after the no burglary policy was reported in the papers, people were increasing their coverage. Simply because if they are not investigating the burglaries, they are not getting the thieves off the street.

Investigating crimes is a financial loss, not only the cost to prosecute, but the cost to house the criminals. Therefore they are going after traffic violations, dui, and pot smokers. For the most part relativity safe and very profitable. The cameras are everywhere now ($250+ a pop), yet they supposedly still do not have the resources to investigate burglaries.

About 15 years ago there was an article in the paper about the average amount in dollars that the average cop wrote a day driving a cruiser, 6k, a motorcycle cop averaged 9k. Keep in mind that was aprox. 15 years ago when they went to burglary sites and fines were less.

Tucson cops are more interested in busting people for smoking pot than anything. Apparently they are not scared/intimidated by some stoned teenager, they certainly get away with a lot more abuse and lying, as they know the kids cannot afford attorney's, and will not be believed by the judge and or jury.

I have known a couple of good Tucson cops, but the majority are liars and thieves. They have parties were everyone takes something they stole from a victim (auto accident, robbery, burglary), they vote on who got the coolest thing and get an award. I was taken to one by one of my old friends, ex navy seal, sheriff dept. The guy with the framed picture won! The dam picture barely fit in the back seat it was so big. These parties are well known, yet nothing is done about them.

I know a couple of pawn shop owners, they have regular cop customers that bring in shoe-boxes of jewelry on a regular basis. The shop owners love em as they do not have to pay as much.

I had a motorcycle accident in 1989, 84 year old pulled out in front of me, broadsided him at about 40, severed my finger, broke my right arm and knocked me unconscious among other cuts and bruises. The cops wrote in the police report they did not expect me to live. Well I did, they took my money, watch, pocket knife, change, they cleaned me out. Seven cops stated I was drinking and drunk, and smelled alcohol on my breath. Tests on the blood they took prior to surgery, showed that I had not drank alcohol for at least 48 hours prior, backed up by the lead doctor at the university hospital.

The driver of the other vehicle got out of it scott free, no ticket nothing, he even left the scene of the accident and went home. He was the president of the moose lodge, he was just leaving the bar parking lot on Friday about 5pm, he was never tested for alcohol and all the same 7 cops who said I was drinking, swore he was not! I latter found out, that moose lodge was predominately a pig farm, explains why things went the way they did. They probably got their bar bill knocked off.

In my opinion cops that commit crimes are worse than the criminals, as they are supposed to be above that. Unfortunately there are more bad cops here than good ones. About 10 years ago, one of the higher up officers (capt or lieutenant) was drunk and had a single vehicle accident, hit a speeding sign! Every cop that investigated the accident and wrote anything in a report, got caught for false reporting, perjury, there was 3 or 4 of them. All they got was a reprimand.

I have been licensed in three different industries, insurance, banking, and real estate. If I were to ever do what they did. I would be convicted of a felony, serve jail time, heavy fines, in the six figures possibly, have licenses revoked for life due to the felony. Yet all they got was a reprimand in there file.

Cops need to be treated just like any other criminal, that is why criminal cops here in Tucson are the norm, they do not have to worry about being arrested/charged with a crime. The very few over the years that have been convicted, they get real lite sentences, and then get hired in a different town.

If they treated the cop criminals like the regular criminals, they would get an ass kicking to! Beatings are sop with most Tucson cops, beatings for the fun of it are the norm here, has happened to me for simply asking a question.

I caught a guy just paroled trying to break in a neighbors house, the 70 year old's were in the house. I took him down by hand and waited for the cops. I had him in a hold (me ex paratrooper), with one wrist up so all they had to do was slip the bracelets on the one hand then bring the other hand around. But NOOOO, they wanted me to let him go. The guy was real f'd up on some drug and was not feeling pain, and not getting tired. I knew better than hit him as that would do nothing but get him riled up and make it more dangerous, I did not want to have to use deadly force.

When I let him go, he got up of course, took 4 cops to get him back under control after a couple of minutes. They finally got handcuffs on one hand, stood on his back, with a baton in the unused handcuff and really ****ed up his arm, while another cop beat him about the head and shoulders with his baton.

After things calmed down, they guy was bigger than everyone there. The cops asked me how the hell I got him in control. Any good cop or military guy will tell you real fighting is all about immobilization, that's all I did was immobilize him. Your chances of survival are much greater if you do not punch, you need to use holds to break arms, legs, neck, you want to stop their ability to strike you, especially in a knife fight. You could get a lucky punch, but with this kind of of guy, no chance of beating him with punches, he had no feeling and so high any blow to the head short of deadly force has no affect.

The only reason they wanted me to let him go was so they could have some fun hitting him with their batons. They just did not realize he was going to be so much trouble, they choose not to believe me, he looked fairly calm when they got there as I had him held for about 10 mins, so he had already found I had him and there was nothing he could do. They endangered everyone's life by doing that. He could have got hold of one of there sidearms while they were wrestling around.

Brains will always beat brawn, if your fast enough and luck is on your side.

I want to do my civil duties, they should have a lottery selecting a few good model citizens to beat the crap out of the cops that get caught committing crimes!

Drugs need to be legalized, and cops need to go back to chasing the criminals rather than the teenagers smoking a joint in the park.

My over all opinion of the average American cop is very low, they have simply demonstrated to me more times than I can count, that the majority are just low life criminals.

I have also lived in Mexico, started school in Guaymas Sonora when I was nine, from Wisconsin. My opinion of Mexican cops is much better, if you do not get violent, they do not get violent, but if you do get violent, you are in for a rougher time than with American cops.

Growing up and living in a resort town in Mexico, yes I have have seen Americans arrested, it is usually because they are doing things they would never do at home. Do not believe all the horror stories. In most cases they were extremely drunk and on drugs and got violent.

The chief of police lived in one of our houses, my father had an ffl and was a ww2 vet and volunteer sherrif in Wisconsin, so we imported police supplies and taught the local police. Since I was 15 till I went into the army, I rode with them for something to do at night. Yes there is corruption, but unlike the American cops, they are honest about it, it is actually due to low pay, not enough to feed the family, it is intentional due to low taxes and the understanding that part of the cops income comes from payments for minor crimes, primarily traffic violations. It is a nice system, eliminates the need for high taxes, lots of judges, prosecutors and attorney's. Simply a different type of system, it is not bribery as most Americans think of it. Unfortunately Mexican cops are starting to get like American cops, due to the US financing and providing training.

Same thing can be done in the US (private payment), just takes a lot more money. I would rather do business with an honest crook, than a dishonest crook. Mexican politicians and cops simply say that's the way it is.

Originally Posted by soldier4402 (Post 3636220)

Wow you either have a very elaborate conspiracy theory or have had bad luck with cops. As much as most of dont like cops at times, I dont think anybody would really have thoughts or stories like this

Originally Posted by SinOjos (Post 3637813)

Yes I agree with you, I have had some bad experiences. But I have also had more good experiences. The motorcycle accident was life changing. All I can do, is relate my experience and some of my thoughts from those experiences.

My biggest problem is that cops are supposed to be the good guys, they are supposed to be above bad/criminal behavior. Everyone lies, just some people lie more than others, some people are presupposed to errant behavior, it is expected to a certain extent in society. But the real problem is that the people in command are doing nothing to change bad behavior. When nothing is done to change that behavior, then it becomes ordained and supported by upper command.

Cops should be required to follow basic ethics and morals along with the law, just like everyone else at work. And charge them with a crime if they don't, the'll get a fair trial just like everyone else. If a government allows the police to operate outside of those three primary areas, then it is no longer a running constitutional government.

As for conspiracy theory, that is up for you to decide.

I grew up in both the US and Mexico with cops as family friends in both countries. The US cops back in the day, when it was a simple teenager thing, simply used to say go home, straight home, if you had not already harmed someone.

Nowadays, most go out of their way to make kids or the average citizen into major career criminal's,over petty little stuff. Keep in mind the US has more people in prison per capita than any other country in the world, yes the land of the free.

US cops for the most part in the past, would be courteous, unless you were not. Nowadays, most start off right away being DiK's. Especially the young ones. Probably to much tv and a inferiority complex.

Custom agents at the border back in the day were always azzholes. But now due to pressure from the constituents in Az, complaining to the state politicians, have now caused the custom agents to be more respectful.

Being a total *******-DiKhead, is not doing the job better. Better than 99.9% of the people going through the border do not traffic drugs, nor are they terrorist. Treating those better than 99.9% of border crosser's like criminals, does nothing to stop the ones that are. In fact it detracts from them doing the job correctly, because they spend to much time with one person strutting about acting arrogant, while the guy they need to catch, passes on by laughing their azz off.

The traffickers have watchers hang out and watch the border agents. They know their habits, they love the DiKheads, as they are easy to set up and keep busy while the guy with the load cruises on through. There is so much traffic, there is not enough resources/personal to physically search each and every vehicle passing through.

I have 41 years of passing through the border since I was 8 years old, not to mention the people I have known over the years on both sides of the industry.

I personally, have never been involved in trafficking drugs, that's not very smart, even though the odds are on the trafficker's side. Money is not that important to me, plus there are plenty of ways to make money legally, being rich and in prison or dead is not attractive to me. But watching everything go down for 41 years, has shown me that drug prohibition by the US has been one of the most harmful things the world has seen.

I am a disabled veteran, primary problem is a spinal injury, jumping out of perfectly good airplanes, PTSD. I smoke marijuana occasionally for muscle spasms in my back, and insomnia. I have a lot of other injuries, just had my 16th surgery to repair my shoulder, only 3 have been health related, the rest injury or wounds. I no longer take the pain pills and other medications the VA will prescribe me. After time they have no affect and get nothing but the side affects making things worse. Here in Arizona medical marijuana is legal, as is all drugs in Mexico for personal consumption. Mexico just a couple years ago legalized drugs for personal use. Heavy addicts are treated as a medical problem rather than a criminal problem. They have learned by experience what is the best way to handle human nature.

Here get it from the horses mouth. http://www.leap.cc/

A lot of countries in the past few years have legalized or decriminalized drugs. A number of Latin American countries have kicked out the US military and DEA, and IMF, not reported in US news. There is an Oliver Stone documentary about it, forget the name it is on netflix. A number allow people to grow marijuana at home. This stopped the drugs being sold on the street corner over night. Why buy it when you can grow it for practically nothing. The worlds countries are banding together and legalizing as they are sick an tired of the US violently enforcing US law in countries the US does not actually have jurisdiction in. Get out of the US news media learn another language or use a translator, you will get a very different story than what you hear in the US.

Mexican cops in the old day's, were always courteous, even if they were hitting you up for a couple of bucks, but even then it was because you actually did do something, wrong turn, run stop sign, speed through schools zone, etc. As I stated earlier, if you get violent, the Mexican cops do not have to worry about excessive force.

Now some of the Mexican cops who are getting the American training, are acting more like DiK's. That is what they have been taught by American instructors.

Like the old saying goes, you will get more fly's with sugar than vinegar.

Treating the average citizen like shiiit, does not help the cop do the job better. In fact it causes the general population to not want anything to do with the police.

Do you associate with people that are not honest and abuse you?

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The below is found on the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition website. http://www.leap.cc/



Subject: Support Guatemalan president's call for drug legalization

Hi,

On Saturday February 11th, Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina declared that, following discussions with Colombian President Santos, he will present a proposal for drug legalization in Central America at the April 14-15 Summit of the Americas. Guatemalan Vice-President Roxana Baldetti will begin a tour of Central America to discuss the proposal with regional leaders and garner support for it, starting with Panama, Costa Rica and Salvador on February 29th. Unsurprisingly, the move was greeted by a quick rebuke from the US government.
President Molina’s initiative is unprecedented and marks the first time since the launching of the War on Drugs by Richard Nixon in 1971 that a foreign head of state actively challenges the US-led policies of drug prohibition and try to build a coalition against it. A former general of the Guatemalan army, President Molina has impeccable credentials to launch such a move: he was elected in November 2011 on a law-and-order platform, pledging to restore security to the country. Guatemala is on the major transit route from Colombia to the US and drug violence has exploded there over the past few years, turning this already impoverished and unstable country into one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
We all need to show our support to President Molina and his potential Latin American allies. We also need to put pressure on the Obama administration to ensure that it doesn’t stall Molina’s proposal, and that it allows a truthful debate to take place at the April 14-15 Summit of the Americas and beyond.

That's why I signed a petition to Otto Perez Molina, President of Guatemala, Roxana Baldetti, Vice-President, Guatemala, and 8 others.

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://signon.org/sign/support-guate...p&r_by=3142571

Thanks!