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bubba16 06-10-2013 10:35 PM

Beware!! Crooks!!!
 
I got my boat in January 2013, shrink-wrapped and uncovered it in March, only to be shocked by all the marks on the boat, that I originally thought to be dirt on the deck of the boat. However, when I went to remove this "dirt" with a cleaner it did not come off. These were markings on my boat, that were not shown to me in pictures previously. I called Casey numerous times, and he finally got back to me denying that the marks were never there. As I had two painters look at the boat, I was told the dirt was in the gelcoat and it would not come off and Legend Marine insists it was never there. It would cost $4000 to paint the boat and $1500 to ship it to a shop where I live. They offered me $1000, which I refused and sent the boat to get painted on my own. While the boat was being painted I also made them check the port motor, which the alarm kept going off when I started the motor and they took the motor apart because they heard the noise too and sent me pictures of a water line along the cylinders. Also, the 5 cylinder and 7 cylinder were worn away completely, and they welded the headers to the head of the motor, which is how the mechanic came to realize there was a problem. As he kept checking the boat, more and more problems kept unfolding in which I was not aware of when purchasing the boat. I am now $16,000 in the hole, due to repairing this boat. I am not on speaking terms with Legend Marine right now, they are very unreasonable and did not want to help me with anything. They just take your money and run!

Mtuned 06-10-2013 10:45 PM

Wow, post up the photos! Sorry to hear about this! Classic scams from dealers!

This is why we need to check the boards first and deal with the good guys here!

FIXX 06-10-2013 10:48 PM

fixx
 

Originally Posted by bubba16 (Post 3940629)
I got my boat in January 2013, shrink-wrapped and uncovered it in March, only to be shocked by all the marks on the boat, that I originally thought to be dirt on the deck of the boat. However, when I went to remove this "dirt" with a cleaner it did not come off. These were markings on my boat, that were not shown to me in pictures previously. I called Casey numerous times, and he finally got back to me denying that the marks were never there. As I had two painters look at the boat, I was told the dirt was in the gelcoat and it would not come off and Legend Marine insists it was never there. It would cost $4000 to paint the boat and $1500 to ship it to a shop where I live. They offered me $1000, which I refused and sent the boat to get painted on my own. While the boat was being painted I also made them check the port motor, which the alarm kept going off when I started the motor and they took the motor apart because they heard the noise too and sent me pictures of a water line along the cylinders. Also, the 5 cylinder and 7 cylinder were worn away completely, and they welded the headers to the head of the motor, which is how the mechanic came to realize there was a problem. As he kept checking the boat, more and more problems kept unfolding in which I was not aware of when purchasing the boat. I am now $16,000 in the hole, due to repairing this boat. I am not on speaking terms with Legend Marine right now, they are very unreasonable and did not want to help me with anything. They just take your money and run!

heads up,,its vary hard to ware away a cylinder,it may have been a little work but for it to not be their is most likely not the case..also it is impossible to weld a ss header to a cast iron cylinder head....it sounds like you may a bad decision and did not get the boat checked out and it most likely a salt water boat that was not takin care of..now if it was me i would not have put all that money in the boat and would have drove it through legends front door truck and all and then set fire to it..

ps sorry to hear you got burned and it really sucke..

phragle 06-11-2013 12:03 AM

So you never looked at the boat to originally see the marks and you didn't have it started and ran or surveyed? And aside from some rocket science elctrobeam welding you aren't going to glue headers to heads. Im not saying you didn't get the short end, just that things aren't totally making sense. And you would be surprised at the marks you can get out of gelcoat with some elbow grease and a buffer. Simple green and a sponge wont do it, but with the right stuff.....

dsparis 06-11-2013 08:18 AM

No survey ? Caveat emptor.

mr3dman 06-11-2013 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 3940667)
So you never looked at the boat to originally see the marks and you didn't have it started and ran or surveyed? And aside from some rocket science elctrobeam welding you aren't going to glue headers to heads. Im not saying you didn't get the short end, just that things aren't totally making sense. And you would be surprised at the marks you can get out of gelcoat with some elbow grease and a buffer. Simple green and a sponge wont do it, but with the right stuff.....

I agree. So many people get burned by not doing the simplest due diligence. You are spending thousands of dollars on something but won't spend a few dollars to either check the item out yourself or hire a competent 3rd party (not a guy recommended by the dealer)?? Sure, we all wish sales were 100% honest but it is the world we live in and people get screwed. I feel for you, but it is your own fault you got burned here. Only way I would buy sight unseen is with a bow to stern warranty on everything

CDN 1 06-11-2013 08:39 AM

Sounds like its going to Be Nice when done.
welcome to BOAT N. Break Out Another Thousand Now......:whistle:

obnoxus 06-11-2013 08:47 AM

I agree let the buyer beware.

BUT that should be soothed somewhat by buying from what should be a trustworthy ( I know ) large dealer,,,,,and not some boat you found off of craigslist.

gofastlvr 06-11-2013 10:19 AM

I thought it was BOATT.... Break Out Another Ten Thousand!!

Maybe that is just me!

t500hps 06-11-2013 11:24 AM

Sounds like the OP bought the boat from great distance and unseen. I too have done that but had a surveyor go over the boat for me before purchase. I remember once being a little pissed I had spent $600-700 having a boat checked out only to find it had major problems. Then I realized that money was well spent cause what if I HAD BOUGHT IT!!!!!

Get used stuff checked out, I trust everyone....but verify for myself.

POWERPLAY J 06-11-2013 11:52 AM

Last time Ya buy a used boat with no survey eh? Reputable dealer or not it is your own fault. Expensive lesson...

TCBoss302 06-11-2013 04:01 PM

If Legends denied any problem with the paint, why did they offer you $1,000? Seems to me that they're admitting that there was a problem, no?

PRIMECUT 06-11-2013 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by TCBoss302 (Post 3941013)
If Legends denied any problem with the paint, why did they offer you $1,000? Seems to me that they're admitting that there was a problem, no?

not necessarily ,maybe they offered the 1K in good faith
a Marine Surveyor should of been used

commandersander 06-11-2013 09:18 PM

FYI....

Cast steel and stainless can absolutely be welded together. Stainless and aluminum, no....

316ls

I do it regularly......not heads to exhaust mind u....but cold stamped steel to stainless an fittings

mike tkach 06-11-2013 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by gofastlvr (Post 3940831)
I thought it was BOATT.... Break Out Another Ten Thousand!!

Maybe that is just me!

no it,s not just you,lol

mike tkach 06-11-2013 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by commandersander (Post 3941222)
FYI....

Cast steel and stainless can absolutely be welded together. Stainless and aluminum, no....

316ls

I do it regularly......not heads to exhaust mind u....but cold stamped steel to stainless an fittings

cast steel and stainless,yes,but like FIXX said,cast iron and stainless,i dont think so but im no welder.

Greatguy66 06-11-2013 10:44 PM

Ni rod for cast iron weld but why just buy a new one!???:daz:

Port Monster 06-12-2013 06:23 AM

Just a pissed off guy who joined this month so he can *****. No response to any post and no pictures of this mark and (from what I am gathering) difficult welding job. You all are just talking to the wall now! :whistle:

clovins 06-12-2013 11:40 AM

Hasn't Legend Marine group been posted on OSO before for buyer's beware? If I remember right, they wouldn't return someone's deposit for a boat that wasn't what it was supposed to be.

low_psi 06-12-2013 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by clovins (Post 3941583)
Hasn't Legend Marine group been posted on OSO before for buyer's beware? If I remember right, they wouldn't return someone's deposit for a boat that wasn't what it was supposed to be.

Yes, but it was a person who put down a non-refundable deposit on a boat, then changed mind over night. So, again it was another bummed out person who was pissed off because they made a mistake and blamed Legend Marine. I don't know the folks at Legend, nor have I ever delt with them. So I am not defending them... I deal with pissed off customers all day long... It seems in this day and age, every one expects something for nothing, and expects people to go over an above to satisfy their every need. Both of these cases look to be customers who didn't pay attention or spend the necessary time to make a decision and are all bent out of shape because it didn't work out in their favor.... I might be wrong, maybe the guys at Legend Marine are crooks... But I wouldn't pass that judgement based on the two complaints I have read on this board...

Hook'em 06-12-2013 01:06 PM

I bought my boat on consignment from Casey 13 years ago at IBC. He's been doing this A LONG time, I doubt he'd be running LMG if he were a crook, this many years later. JMO

sy goldberg 06-13-2013 08:04 AM

I've been dealing with Casey for many years and I will continue to do so for many more years.I'm sure there is more to this story than what has been presented.

1989mach1 06-13-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by gofastlvr (Post 3940831)
I thought it was BOATT.... Break Out Another Ten Thousand!!

Maybe that is just me!

nope not just u I had to drop 20k into mine over the winter on motor work. did I buy it with the problems or did they happen after I got it is unknown but it was the right boat for us and got a really good deal on the boat. after the work I am still under or at what other people r asking for the same boat that they r trying to sell. now I got fresh motors and should be good for another 350 hours. good luck

Indy 06-19-2013 07:25 AM

Are you new to boating? You purchased a boat sight unseen? No survey, no test drive? And you're grumbling?

I flew to AZ to see my boat and I live in CT...sorry this is happening but you really need to look out for your best interests when doing something like this. A survey looks cheap compared to this now right?

Where is this dude anyway? One post wonder? You have no credibility when you post, run, and hide. Not defending the dealer, I don't trust anyone, but you need to get a grip.

For starters, show us some proof that what was represented is different than what you received.

bsboss 10-11-2013 09:48 AM

I purchased a boat from Casey about 13-14 years ago, before he moved to Legends. He was a very stand up guy and went out of his way to take care of some issues we had. I did make the trip to look at and test drive the boat first hand. By the way this was a boat I kept for 2 years and sold for a little more than I purchased it for!


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