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Elite Marine 08-11-2008 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by fast22 (Post 2650166)
Driving a boat is getting to be more like driving a motorcycle all the time, You have to plan on the other guy to make a mistake

Well put. And its getting worse all the time. Thats why I stopped riding bikes years ago.

Shame of it is it sounds like this, as most accidents, could have been avoided. These poor families.

Croozin2 08-11-2008 12:12 PM

[QUOTE=Elite Marine;2650425Thats why I stopped riding bikes.[/QUOTE]

Ditto!

team Tickfaw 08-11-2008 11:38 PM

This was a sad day for sure on "our" rivers. We were spending our day at a friends house on the river and was was called by friends making sure we were not involved. Scary. Was at Lizzies sunday and Scott flaged down wildlife and fisheries guy and he did not want to give many details at the time. He was shocked at just how bad it was. Just truly
tragic and appears simple mistakes or errors were made.
With the traffic the blind has now days it can be an experience running there. We have all but quit running there. It is not the "big boats/ small boats" it is the people that are operating them. Rarely we have accidents of this type that are due to mechanical failure. EVERY time we go out we will see people making bad decisions with their boats or passengers. On occasion I have offered some discussion and guidance with mixed results. By no means an expert but I have worked on the water all my life and I do hold several USCG documents so I'm no dummy either.
Croozin as you, I normally don't like to see alot of rules forced upon us but rules need to be set for those that are not going to follow anything else. Lack of common sense approach, courtesy for others, realizing your responsibility of keeping your passengers safe and thinking of the people around you. Driver thinks of himself last and must leave all the gung ho, look at me crap on the bank and yes, we must drive our boats as if no one can "see us". There are times they don't. We all have made some mistakes. Just my 2 cents.
By no means am I suggesting that this was anything other than an Accident, but it is so tragic we will hear all kinds of stuff. Was told driver of big boat passed 3 tests and were all zero's. If so, I commend him.
Our hearts are heavy with the thought of how these families will cope. Our prayers are with them all.
Be safe out there.
Kenny and Lea

Wild Card 09 08-12-2008 04:08 AM

That is very sad news.

It is difficult to find the right way to avoid this sort thing happening. There are so many (not immediately dangerous appearing) factors involved.

Obviously a mandatory boat license (and instruction in common sense matters) would be of help, but anywhere where traffic density builds up it is amazing how quickly incidents can escalate, even when well educated and experienced drivers are involved.

Over here in Germany, the driving license for a road vehicle involves alot of thoery and practical hours. One of the areas covered is learning how accidents happen based on incident dokumentation.
Learning from the mistakes of others helps, but still it is shocking to see how many bikers have been scraped off the road by sunday evening, every summer weekend.

The only reason that less boating accidents happen than road accidents is because of lower traffic density. However, the waterways are becoming busier, every year, as more and more people seek the freedom that the open highway can no longer offer.

Making the driver of a boat aware that they are operating something far more dangerous than a handgun (one mistake can kill or injure several, at once) is what is needed.

But how do we do that?

jmeng 08-12-2008 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by team Tickfaw (Post 2651128)
Was told driver of big boat passed 3 tests and were all zero's. If so, I commend him.

Very true. He had not had a sip of alcohol all day, blew 0.0s.

BarryB 08-12-2008 06:43 AM

As a person who lives and boats on this particular body of water and is the owner of a "Cigarette Boat" I have to say it would be nice if the media would not make every accident on this body of water sound as if our local establishments and the large "Cigarette Boats" were responsible. My heart goes out to the families who have lost their loved ones. I am sure everyone read the article that was posted in the advocate Sunday. The first thing that was printed was "A 30' Cigarette boat runs over a small boat and kills two near Blind River Bar" Its a shame that these accidents have to happen. It would be nice if we could go ONE summer without a fatality on our waterways. All of US powerboat owners are labeled on the waterways in Louisiana as being Alcoholics who drive to fast and are reckless. when actually we are some of the most responsble ones on the waterways.

Croozin2 08-12-2008 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by BarryB (Post 2651190)
As a person who lives and boats on this particular body of water and is the owner of a "Cigarette Boat" I have to say it would be nice if the media would not make every accident on this body of water sound as if our local establishments and the large "Cigarette Boats" were responsible.

Agreed, they interviewed a couple of residents along the Diversion Canal and most of them commented about speed and the size of the "Cigarette" boats running the waterway. After getting some first hand information yesterday, it seems neither speed nor the size of the boat had anything to do with it. A little common boating knowledge would have done wonders in this situation. Also, toxicology report is still pending on the driver of the runabout. Great to hear that the driver of the larger boat blew all zeros - kudos to him.



Originally Posted by BarryB (Post 2651190)
It would be nice if we could go ONE summer without a fatality on our waterways. All of US powerboat owners are labeled on the waterways in Louisiana as being Alcoholics who drive to fast and are reckless. when actually we are some of the most responsble ones on the waterways.

We were talking about this Sunday at a neighbor's house. We have at least one fatality each year on either side of the lake, or both. We've had to pull at least two people from the water with broken legs in the last two years due to one roll-over and one blow-over. Thankfully, we haven't had to pull a body from the water - yet. I can only imagine what not only the families of the deceased are going through, but also the driver of the larger boat. Imagine what he will see in his dreams for years to come. Kenny said it best in his post above - the safety of your passengers and the boats around you is paramount!! It's not about the show, it's about everyone getting home safely at the end of the day.

team Tickfaw 08-12-2008 01:05 PM

Thanks Croozin. Was doing a google search on this last nite and a LSU forum had alot of talk about it. Can't remember the name........tiger something. Anyhow, as was mentioned above, majority of people posted slammed the big boat people. This is disturbing due to the fact that these same people will mentally put their "blinders" on and will not be able to learn anything from this. It is a shame and it seems it will let the cycle continue.
I am not picking sides because there are idiots driving 14' skiffs to 50' cruisers out there. Powerboats make great news. We are a minority in terms of ownership. Just look around, few people know very much about them other than what they heard or seen on the movies. Kind of like Harley riders were in the 70's, before they were "cool" to have. I know cause I was once one of them. Bikers on loud Harleys made great news.
As far as speed limits go on the rivers if I am not mistaken there are state laws on speed limits on waterways and I was told we have them, but just like our noise ordanance law in the state, they are not inforced. Boaters safety course is a joke. I mean I guess it is better than nothing, but not much. Anyone knows when they go in, their coming out with a certificate.
I was also told the one young man they were looking for was found yesterday. I hope so. Lea looked at the pictures of the person's involved several times hoping she did not recognize them from Sun Buns. She did not.
Croozin we came by sunday on the boat looking for you, think we woke Kitty up from her nap as we came by makin all that racket and spoke to her. We will try some other time.
Keep us posted on the condition of the young man and the investigation. Last nite I was told that they have him in a drug induced coma due to swelling of the brain.
Stay safe out there and keep these families in your thoughts as you you take to the waterways.

Croozin2 08-12-2008 01:10 PM

Sorry we missed y'all. I was out front in the driveway cleaning on the boat getting ready for Emerald Coast. Boat has been out of the water since last weekend. That way I wasn't tempted to take a ride this weekend when I should've been cleaning and changing oil!

jmeng 08-12-2008 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by team Tickfaw (Post 2651632)
Thanks Croozin. Was doing a google search on this last nite and a LSU forum had alot of talk about it. Can't remember the name........tiger something. Anyhow, as was mentioned above, majority of people posted slammed the big boat people.

Was it Tiger Droppings by any chance? If they're blaming the big boat in this case I'll go over there and pick a fight.


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