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10x 09-24-2007 11:33 PM

The "Beast" Cig is currently owned by a friend of mine, and is undergoing a "complete" drivetrain refreshening. Hyperscision did a HORRIBLE job on the engines, and after waiting over 2 years, yes, 2 YEARS, for the engines to be completed, all he got was the runaround.
Paid them about 50K, and in return got a pile of used up junk put into new boxes. That's right !!! When my friend finally got fed-up with all the excuses on why the engines were still not finished, he went to Hyperscsion's shop and demanded all his money back. They told him that they bought all the parts, so they could'nt refund his money back, but would give him all the parts. They gave him boxes upon boxes of parts that were supposed to be all the "new" parts that he paid for. The boxes were ALL sealed and stapled closed, so he figured that they were never opened. Upon taking all the engine parts to another engine builder, they immediatly opened up all the boxes. What they found, was that all the "new" parts were removed, and replaced with junk used up garbage that you could'nt sell at a Flee market.
The aluminum heads were in stapled Dart Big M boxes and when opened, they found Dart 345 heads that looked like they spent a decade in salt water. They're not even sellable. Every part that was supposed to be new that was in a box, was used, and was just plain "junk" !!! Pistons, connecting rods, cams, lifters, cranks, valves, everything was used, and put into "new" boxes and stapled shut so it looked like the boxes had never been opened.

I could go on and on here about how they shafted my friend, but I'll just leave it at that. The boat will see a fresh pair of tall deck blower motors real soon. The drives are off and so are the gimbles and transom assemblys. Everything is being freshed up from the rear seat back to the prop nut. I will probably see the boat again next week and take a bunch of pics of it for you guys. I seen it last friday, but I did'nt have a camera with me.

And, BTW, my friend that owns it does not go here on OSO, so you'll never see a post from him.

O.C.Barry 09-25-2007 11:33 AM

Fairing
 

Originally Posted by GOFASTJUNKIE (Post 2282657)
Who did the fairing work? Did you have to build it from scratch?

We built it out of 1/8" aluminum with a brake and a welder. It turned out great.

OldSchool 09-25-2007 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Duck (Post 2280249)
Two more from OC Barry.

1. Lethal Weapon Cigarette (and Lucky Strike Apache?).

2. Revenge Scarab.

I'm not sure what year it was (maybe '90 or '91) , but I was in OC for the White Marlin Open. That boat was stored on a lift in back of the owner's condo, which was where they were weighing in the fish. They went out for a ride and either stuffed it or spun out and some people got hurt. I think that someone broke their back and someone else broke their leg or something like that. I can remember that everyone was talking about it. I also can remember thinking that it would be soo cool to one day own a boat like that (although I didn't think that it would ever be possible).....it's funny how sometimes dreams do come true!!!!:ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004:

OldSchool 09-25-2007 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by 10x (Post 2283397)
The "Beast" Cig is currently owned by a friend of mine, and is undergoing a "complete" drivetrain refreshening. Hyperscision did a HORRIBLE job on the engines, and after waiting over 2 years, yes, 2 YEARS, for the engines to be completed, all he got was the runaround.
Paid them about 50K, and in return got a pile of used up junk put into new boxes. That's right !!! When my friend finally got fed-up with all the excuses on why the engines were still not finished, he went to Hyperscsion's shop and demanded all his money back. They told him that they bought all the parts, so they could'nt refund his money back, but would give him all the parts. They gave him boxes upon boxes of parts that were supposed to be all the "new" parts that he paid for. The boxes were ALL sealed and stapled closed, so he figured that they were never opened. Upon taking all the engine parts to another engine builder, they immediatly opened up all the boxes. What they found, was that all the "new" parts were removed, and replaced with junk used up garbage that you could'nt sell at a Flee market.
The aluminum heads were in stapled Dart Big M boxes and when opened, they found Dart 345 heads that looked like they spent a decade in salt water. They're not even sellable. Every part that was supposed to be new that was in a box, was used, and was just plain "junk" !!! Pistons, connecting rods, cams, lifters, cranks, valves, everything was used, and put into "new" boxes and stapled shut so it looked like the boxes had never been opened.

I could go on and on here about how they shafted my friend, but I'll just leave it at that. The boat will see a fresh pair of tall deck blower motors real soon. The drives are off and so are the gimbles and transom assemblys. Everything is being freshed up from the rear seat back to the prop nut. I will probably see the boat again next week and take a bunch of pics of it for you guys. I seen it last friday, but I did'nt have a camera with me.

And, BTW, my friend that owns it does not go here on OSO, so you'll never see a post from him.

Relax Frank!! ....and take a few deep breaths.:D:D Who in the heck is Hyperscision? ...and what do they have to do with all of this???

10x 09-25-2007 11:35 PM

Just an update on what's going on with the Beast. Can't wait to see it in the water again.:D

O.C.Barry 09-26-2007 07:04 AM

Leathal Weapon
 

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 2284063)
I'm not sure what year it was (maybe '90 or '91) , but I was in OC for the White Marlin Open. That boat was stored on a lift in back of the owner's condo, which was where they were weighing in the fish. They went out for a ride and either stuffed it or spun out and some people got hurt. I think that someone broke their back and someone else broke their leg or something like that. I can remember that everyone was talking about it. I also can remember thinking that it would be soo cool to one day own a boat like that (although I didn't think that it would ever be possible).....it's funny how sometimes dreams do come true!!!!:ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004:

Actually we had a lot of injuries, but we didn't stuff or spin out. We tripped off of a rogue wave at 88 MPH (We know that because the telltale speedometer was on 88) and came down hard on the side of the boat. Bill broke his back, Gary broke his leg completely through, and Charlie broke his pelvis in 4 places. Everyone else was just bruised. I helped load the injured into ambulances and a Medivac helicopter. It was definitely the second worst day of my life. The good news is that everyone recovered and lived on, until Gary's passing in 1999.

There was an interesting smart - Alec bystander comment, 'Oh they must have been drinking." The Coast Guard Lieutenant walked right over to the guy and corrected him; the LT said, "No, we know these guys, they don't drink and boat, they have iced tea with lunch. But you could easily see that without the LT stepping up, an UNTRUE ugly rumor could have started.

GOFASTJUNKIE 09-26-2007 07:41 AM

I remember being down at the beach when that happened. A lifegaurd, i think, was the guy who informed us of what happened. Had to of been a scary moment......

OldSchool 09-26-2007 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by O.C.Barry (Post 2285085)
Actually we had a lot of injuries, but we didn't stuff or spin out. We tripped off of a rogue wave at 88 MPH (We know that because the telltale speedometer was on 88) and came down hard on the side of the boat. Bill broke his back, Gary broke his leg completely through, and Charlie broke his pelvis in 4 places. Everyone else was just bruised. I helped load the injured into ambulances and a Medivac helicopter. It was definitely the second worst day of my life. The good news is that everyone recovered and lived on, until Gary's passing in 1999.

There was an interesting smart - Alec bystander comment, 'Oh they must have been drinking." The Coast Guard Lieutenant walked right over to the guy and corrected him; the LT said, "No, we know these guys, they don't drink and boat, they have iced tea with lunch. But you could easily see that without the LT stepping up, an UNTRUE ugly rumor could have started.

Thanks for the clarification!! Like I said in my post, at that time I never thought that I'd have one of the "Cigarette" boats!!

For the record, I was drunk at the time but wasn't the guy who said anything about the boaters being drunk!!:D:D:ernaehrung004:

38flatdeck 09-26-2007 08:20 AM

whice boat was that in ?

OldSchool 09-26-2007 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by 38scarab (Post 2285169)
whice boat was that in ?

Lethal Weapon

O.C.Barry 09-27-2007 11:42 AM

Lethal Weapon
 
And to anticipate the next question, I'll answer it, the repairs to the Kevlar were done by an expert Cuban boatbuilder.

Hot Duck 09-27-2007 10:16 PM

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More pictures. The first picture is Barry in 1986 in his Cig (and his Speedo :p). The second is the Jenny's Express Apache and the last on is the Leathal Weapon Cigarette.

Hot Duck 09-27-2007 10:17 PM

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The first Jenny's Express. Don Johnson's Scarab in Key West in 1987. Smokin Joe 1, PTM Express, Jenny's Express and Leathal Weapon in Ocean City, NJ.

Hot Duck 09-27-2007 10:18 PM

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Jenny's Express ar Everglades Marina. Thanks for the new pics Barry! Keep 'em coming!

O.C.Barry 09-28-2007 05:56 AM

Maybe Will?
 

Originally Posted by Hot Duck (Post 2287675)
More pictures that I will let Barry explain. Is that a Speedo Barry? :D

Honestly, when I pulled the pictures out, I wasn't looking at my attire. In my defense, it was the 80's and we were going to Miami a lot, so it was kind of a 'Euro' time. ;-)

sonnycrockett 09-29-2007 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by Hot Duck (Post 2287675)
More pictures that I will let Barry explain. Is that a Speedo Barry? :D

what is this one on the left?? cigarette?

Hot Duck 09-29-2007 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by sonnycrockett (Post 2289026)
what is this one on the left?? cigarette?

I went back to my posts and added what info I had about the pictures. They came from Barry, so he will have to give us the details.

sonnycrockett 09-30-2007 09:02 PM

ok

O.C.Barry 10-02-2007 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by sonnycrockett (Post 2289026)
what is this one on the left?? cigarette?

If you are talking about the four boats at the dock - 38 Scarab red sides with white deck is Smokin Joe 1. Later, Smokin Joe 2 was a 43 Larry Smith Scarab with trips and #6 drives.

38flatdeck 10-02-2007 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by O.C.Barry (Post 2292162)
If you are talking about the four boats at the dock - 38 Scarab red sides with white deck is Smokin Joe 1. Later, Smokin Joe 2 was a 43 Larry Smith Scarab with trips and #6 drives.

do you have anymore pics of the first jenny's express ?

sonnycrockett 10-13-2007 05:56 PM

wasnt jenny's express an apache

O.C.Barry 10-24-2007 10:58 AM

Jenny's Express
 

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett (Post 2304878)
wasnt jenny's express an apache

The first Jenny's Express was an '86 Cigarette 35' flat deck with a race fairing, 540 C&G's and #3 SSM's.

The second Jenny's Express was a 41' Apache.

Gary's FIRST boat, and I'll bet Will Lynch won't even remember this, was a 1985 35' Cigarette Mistress w/ 330's & TRS. It was also named after his daughter but was called Jennifer Ann.

Barry

jettsdad 10-25-2007 11:14 AM

Jenifer Ann
 
The 85 Cigarette is how I met Gary,He was up on a sandbar hard aground off 28th street with a load of people.I helped him shuttle his crew back to his house until the tide came up.That was a nice looking boat but only had 330s in it.I had 370s in my scarab and Gary could never catch me. He always said thet Gigarette was an impulse buy ,But he corrected that the next year with 1st Jennys Express with the 540s,Couldn't catch him then.

O.C.Barry 10-25-2007 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by jettsdad (Post 2317022)
The 85 Cigarette is how I met Gary,He was up on a sandbar hard aground off 28th street with a load of people.I helped him shuttle his crew back to his house until the tide came up.That was a nice looking boat but only had 330s in it.I had 370s in my scarab and Gary could never catch me. He always said thet Gigarette was an impulse buy ,But he corrected that the next year with 1st Jennys Express with the 540s,Couldn't catch him then.

Hi Tom -

One of the passengers you picked up was Jeff Mathias, who is OC Mayor Jim Mathias' brother. That was right around the time Bill and I met Gary as well. The other interesting fact about Gary's first boat was that he boat it at the miami show and was tied betwwen the 35 Mistress and a Tempest (42?). Luckily, he passed on the Tempest and bought the Mistress. Gary sold the Mistress to Tommy Sperl. Tommy then bought Dollar Bill from Bill.

We should get together sometime at the beach for a drink. I don't know if you know Will Lynch and Bill Purnell, but they are great guys as well.

Barry

Hot Duck 03-28-2008 12:25 AM

Hey Barry, any more pics?

O.C.Barry 03-28-2008 05:35 AM

Pictures
 
Will -

I have tons of pictures, I'll bring them to the beach the next time. I'll see if I can get a picture of Satin Doll from Bill S., I can't locate my Satin Doll pictures. Funny, I was going to call you today because I want to mention someting to you. If you get a chance give me a call at my office 470-1035.

Barry

RUSSSR1 03-31-2008 06:47 PM

A lot of those pics seem to have purple in the back with purple, silver and black stripes. I drove to MD a few years ago and brought home a 1984 38 flatty with the same paint.
I would love to find out some history on my boat.

O.C.Barry 04-01-2008 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by RUSSSR1 (Post 2507045)
A lot of those pics seem to have purple in the back with purple, silver and black stripes. I drove to MD a few years ago and brought home a 1984 38 flatty with the same paint.
I would love to find out some history on my boat.

I may be able to help. Do you remember who you bought it from? Bud Schmidt, a local Buick dealer had a 38 that may be yours.

Barry

RUSSSR1 04-01-2008 11:12 PM

Barry

I can track it back to 95' for sure as I have all records and receipts since then. In 95' A guy by the name of Tom Rockstroh and had much work done at Benney's Marine . In 97' it had a lot of work done actually what looks like a total rebuild at mainly two shops Benney's Marine and Ventnor Marine a guy by the name of David Rosseau owned it then posibly in Pasadena or Baltimor. The guy I bought it from in 04' also had a 42 lightning and a turbine couger mainly ran it on the bay. There are a couple of other names associated that maybe I can dig up but I cant be sure they are concerning ownership. Have you heard of the shops mentioned.

Thanks
Russ

O.C.Barry 04-02-2008 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by RUSSSR1 (Post 2509676)
Barry

I can track it back to 95' for sure as I have all records and receipts since then. In 95' A guy by the name of Tom Rockstroh and had much work done at Benney's Marine . In 97' it had a lot of work done actually what looks like a total rebuild at mainly two shops Benney's Marine and Ventnor Marine a guy by the name of David Rosseau owned it then posibly in Pasadena or Baltimor. The guy I bought it from in 04' also had a 42 lightning and a turbine couger mainly ran it on the bay. There are a couple of other names associated that maybe I can dig up but I cant be sure they are concerning ownership. Have you heard of the shops mentioned.

Thanks
Russ

Russ -

Well the funny thing is that Tom Rockstroh is in this thread in earlier posts by JETTSDAD. He's a good guy, I haven't seen him in many years but I'm sure he can give you more history. If you look back through the thread, Tom talks about a 30' Scarab he also owned. Benney's Marine is a guy named Jim Benney, who I don't know but my engine builder does. Ventnor Marine sounds familiar, but there are a number of guys on OSO from around the Pasadena, MD area who would be more knowlegable about them. I've met Dave Rosseau a while back, when a shop called Racing Parts and Machine was building blower motors for my Coyote and blower motors for his Cigarette. If I remember correctly, Dave, like most of us has been through several Cigarettes.

Hope you find this helpful

Barry

RUSSSR1 04-02-2008 01:33 PM

Barry
Funny how that goes I chim in and a posible ex owner is in the same thread 4 posts above. It would be great to have the chance to talk with Tom about my boat. I even have copies of the checks that paid the invoices back in 95-97. I wonder if anybody knows how to get in touch with him and have him get back in on this thread. Looking back at leathal weapon again my boat is almost identical. I know it had some paint work done in 97' but I do not know if it was a total repaint or just repairs. I guess I can't upload photos just being a regestered user or I would post some of what she looks like now. A couple of years ago we had 5 38 flatdecks tied off together on one run it was a pretty cool site.

Russ

Jamie B. 04-02-2008 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by RUSSSR1 (Post 2507045)
..

:eek:

How the hell are ya Russ !

RUSSSR1 04-02-2008 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Jamie B. (Post 2510535)
:eek:

How the hell are ya Russ !


Well well well if it aint ol Jamie B. I am doing fine as I hope you are to. I thought I heard you got a TG with big power?? and speedies?? How's Gail doing and the rest of the clan?

Jamie B. 04-02-2008 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by RUSSSR1 (Post 2510583)
Well well well if it aint ol Jamie B. I am doing fine as I hope you are to. I thought I heard you got a TG with big power?? and speedies?? How's Gail doing and the rest of the clan?

All is well bro, thank you. Will we be seeing you out on the water this summer ??

RUSSSR1 04-02-2008 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Jamie B. (Post 2510589)
All is well bro, thank you. Will we be seeing you out on the water this summer ??

Only if you are up north a bit. I have a slip at Reefpoint in Racine. Ya know slow things down a bit, toss the hook out at the beach, pour a little capitain in the cup, back to the way it's ment for all in my party soaking up the sun.

10x 04-25-2008 12:40 AM

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Hey Russ !!! How ya doin there buddy??? Can't believe I'm readin anything from you, thought you fell off the face of the earth. LMAO
Got a few pics of your 38 from when we were with you on that run from Chicago to North Point back about 3-4 years ago. I'll see if I can find any more.

Don't be a stranger :D

Frank

10x 04-25-2008 12:45 AM

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Can't find any more decent ones. Looks like you'll have to get er wet again, so I can take some more pics. :p

StraightJacket 04-25-2008 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Jamie B. (Post 2510535)
:eek:

How the hell are ya Russ !

I was thinking the same F'n thing , what did you finally find your way out of a cave or something.

RUSSSR1 04-28-2008 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by 10x (Post 2537733)
Hey Russ !!! How ya doin there buddy??? Can't believe I'm readin anything from you, thought you fell off the face of the earth. LMAO
Got a few pics of your 38 from when we were with you on that run from Chicago to North Point back about 3-4 years ago. I'll see if I can find any more.

Don't be a stranger :D

Frank


Hey there Frank. Fell off of somthing, not sure what, but i'm in the water back on the beach doing it the way it's meant for me and the family. Sure would be great to see you and Lois up at Reefpoint for a weekend. The slip next to me is open.

RUSSSR1 04-28-2008 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by StraightJacket (Post 2537995)
I was thinking the same F'n thing , what did you finally find your way out of a cave or something.

What's up you crazy foker? Do I see there you got a 38 beak boat now?


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