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MickeyBoy 11-21-2007 03:09 PM

Original Adv 1981 27' Squadron Xii
 
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Don Aronow Presnts
Squadron Xii Offshore Powerboats

1981 27' Offshore Speed 62mph With Standard Single 400 Mercruiser Cyclone , 225 Mls Range , $ 32.990 Also Available In 24' Model

Chris Sunkin 12-01-2007 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Xcelerator (Post 2355195)
Nice Advertisement. I have a "Don Aronow: King of Thunderboat Row" book at home, a friend lent it to me. A guy I know at our Marina has a 40' XXII Squadron, and someone on OSO has a 27'.

Yes, we all know. That is, since you posted all this info earlier this week.

P.S. The Squadron is a 39.

Hang Time 27 03-09-2008 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2355218)
Yes, we all know. That is, since you posted all this info earlier this week.

P.S. The Squadron is a 39.

Jeez, take it easy. He probably just wanted to post it in a different forum, which is what he did.............

BDiggity 03-09-2008 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2355218)

P.S. The Squadron is a 39.

Looks like he just quoted the bottom of the ad. so i guess squadron didnt know their own boats.

Hang Time 27 11-04-2008 01:35 PM

I just realized what you were saying...call me slow. Ad is for the 27 squadron, not the 39. Yes they also made a 24 (at least one, because the serial #001 24'er is still right accross the bay from me.....)

TOASTY 11-05-2008 08:09 AM

squadron XII did in fact make different sizes not just a 39.

TOASTY 11-05-2008 08:10 AM

24 cat 24 vee 27 vee 27 cat and a 39

olredalert 11-05-2008 08:30 AM

------I have an unrigged 24 Squadron. I also am in the middle of another resto that is costing me a fortune. With that said, I would sell it with the proviso that Mike Aronow OKs the sale. I think I can safely say that he would like to see these boats be built again.
------Also can direct someone so inclined to a 27 Squadron for sale near me that needs a total resto, but is a very solid old boat (no engine or drive). These two boats (24 and 27) are nearly identical other than length. PM me........Bill S

mmmjr 11-05-2008 09:22 AM

Does anyone have one a 24 ? Im interested to know how it runs. I have seen one that has never been rigged. I dont know the hull number.
Any pics of some would be awsome to see.

TexomaPowerboater 11-05-2008 11:05 AM

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TOASTY 11-05-2008 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by olredalert (Post 2732262)
------I have an unrigged 24 Squadron. I also am in the middle of another resto that is costing me a fortune. With that said, I would sell it with the proviso that Mike Aronow OKs the sale. I think I can safely say that he would like to see these boats be built again.
------Also can direct someone so inclined to a 27 Squadron for sale near me that needs a total resto, but is a very solid old boat (no engine or drive). These two boats (24 and 27) are nearly identical other than length. PM me........Bill S

please mail pictures of the 24 and the other items you have as well. i am interested in the 24
why must you get ok from MA? are they his boats?

regards,
C
[email protected]

Hang Time 27 11-05-2008 06:57 PM

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This 24 was still on Chesepeake Bay near Bay Bridge on Kent Island, MD this summer. 1980, serial # 001.

These pics taken in '05. Perfect all original condition. Sorry no pics of interior - he wasn't home.

mmmjr 11-06-2008 05:27 AM

How does that boat handle ? Is it stable ?

Hang Time 27 11-06-2008 02:57 PM

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Stable - I would say yea. But everybody as different measuring stick when it comes to how a boat rides.

My 27 rides a little higher in the water at cruise speeds than a similiar boat because of the huge outside lifting strakes. The strakes are 5" wide (inners are more normal at 3") which I'm sure was to give the boat more lift, therefore speed, for a single engine 27'er. 5"' is more like the size strakes you would see on a twin engine 30 -35 footer, that weighs twice as much !!

I think the 27 magnums and 28 Cigarettes may be even smaller than 3" ? Twin engines and almost 2k less lbs means they also rode much smoother than the 24 & 27 squadrons would..........

They all have racing K-planes which makes all the difference for ride attitude. Lock 'em down and you can cruise at 18mph pulling wakeboards, or crush waves at 30 mph and ride like a big cruiser.

The 24's and 27's have a 7'3" beam, but since they have a relatively low freeboard, they look wide, and have a low center of gravity. My 27 can be VERY squirrely at speed in rough water (which is fun to me) at times, but mainly because I still do not have hydraulic steering - a must to be safe, and really enjoy this kind of boat at speed.

In thoery the 24 would be a rougher ride than the 27 because you are getting away from the desired length to width ratio for an 0ffshore boat. A 24 superboat or excalibur has it right with maybe 6.5 feet?? The 24 squadron would be very similiar in ride to a 24 firefox I would imagine, with the strakes being the only difference - they seem to have the same race layup with lots of bulkheads and huge stringers.

Stable enough to do this with it.... 4 adults 6 kids (I'm taking picture)......

mmmjr 11-07-2008 05:31 AM

Thanks for all the good info. Sounds like Aronow got it right !!

Good lokkin boat !!

MikeyFIN 12-15-2008 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Hang Time 27 (Post 2733261)
Stable - I would say yea. But everybody as different measuring stick when it comes to how a boat rides.

My 27 rides a little higher in the water at cruise speeds than a similiar boat because of the huge outside lifting strakes. The strakes are 5" wide (inners are more normal at 3") which I'm sure was to give the boat more lift, therefore speed, for a single engine 27'er. 5"' is more like the size strakes you would see on a twin engine 30 -35 footer, that weighs twice as much !!

I think the 27 magnums and 28 Cigarettes may be even smaller than 3" ? Twin engines and almost 2k less lbs means they also rode much smoother than the 24 & 27 squadrons would..........

They all have racing K-planes which makes all the difference for ride attitude. Lock 'em down and you can cruise at 18mph pulling wakeboards, or crush waves at 30 mph and ride like a big cruiser.

The 24's and 27's have a 7'3" beam, but since they have a relatively low freeboard, they look wide, and have a low center of gravity. My 27 can be VERY squirrely at speed in rough water (which is fun to me) at times, but mainly because I still do not have hydraulic steering - a must to be safe, and really enjoy this kind of boat at speed.

In thoery the 24 would be a rougher ride than the 27 because you are getting away from the desired length to width ratio for an 0ffshore boat. A 24 superboat or excalibur has it right with maybe 6.5 feet?? The 24 squadron would be very similiar in ride to a 24 firefox I would imagine, with the strakes being the only difference - they seem to have the same race layup with lots of bulkheads and huge stringers.

Stable enough to do this with it.... 4 adults 6 kids (I'm taking picture)......

Hang Time why the Cig logos .. is it a CRT if a XEX I feel myself the SQ logos would be way cooler ?

oreo11zeus 12-15-2008 10:04 AM

Nice 27!!
 
Sunkin bought mine in 2004 - wonder what he did with it?
http://www.ameriserv.net/boat/ the boat was too small - picked up a Cafe


Originally Posted by Hang Time 27 (Post 2733261)
Stable - I would say yea. But everybody as different measuring stick when it comes to how a boat rides.

My 27 rides a little higher in the water at cruise speeds than a similiar boat because of the huge outside lifting strakes. The strakes are 5" wide (inners are more normal at 3") which I'm sure was to give the boat more lift, therefore speed, for a single engine 27'er. 5"' is more like the size strakes you would see on a twin engine 30 -35 footer, that weighs twice as much !!

I think the 27 magnums and 28 Cigarettes may be even smaller than 3" ? Twin engines and almost 2k less lbs means they also rode much smoother than the 24 & 27 squadrons would..........

They all have racing K-planes which makes all the difference for ride attitude. Lock 'em down and you can cruise at 18mph pulling wakeboards, or crush waves at 30 mph and ride like a big cruiser.

The 24's and 27's have a 7'3" beam, but since they have a relatively low freeboard, they look wide, and have a low center of gravity. My 27 can be VERY squirrely at speed in rough water (which is fun to me) at times, but mainly because I still do not have hydraulic steering - a must to be safe, and really enjoy this kind of boat at speed.

In thoery the 24 would be a rougher ride than the 27 because you are getting away from the desired length to width ratio for an 0ffshore boat. A 24 superboat or excalibur has it right with maybe 6.5 feet?? The 24 squadron would be very similiar in ride to a 24 firefox I would imagine, with the strakes being the only difference - they seem to have the same race layup with lots of bulkheads and huge stringers.

Stable enough to do this with it.... 4 adults 6 kids (I'm taking picture)......


Hang Time 27 12-16-2008 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFIN (Post 2759488)
Hang Time why the Cig logos .. is it a CRT if a XEX I feel myself the SQ logos would be way cooler ?

It's an XEX, and had both ensignia on it when I got it. It was too cluttered and didn't add anything to the boat. Since Aronow apparently merged Squadron with Cigarette when he went back to it a year or two after starting Squadron12, and they were sold as cigarette 27's after that, and it seems this thing has always been titled as a cigarette, it was just simpler.......... and involves less explanation to 99.5% of people.

I guess it's kinda like a mid sixties cobra - is it a "AC" cobra, is it a "Ford" Cobra, or is it a "Shelby Cobra"?? Or is it all of them, or just any of them? I don't think most car guys really care.........only matters if it's one of the few hundred real ones, or a replica - and even then, a replica is better cause you can drive it. And in this case, we are only talking about 18 boats...............

Of course it would look cool labeled as a Squadron XII and painted gray with airbrushed alumn rivets all over it, and maybe a WWII Spitfire type gapping mouth full of teeth on it, and.....a "kill" record somewhere = a bunch of outlines of outdrives with red x's painted over them............that's what somebody with $$ might do. I'll just be stuck with my $8 dollar decals, and paying for braces for two kids this year instead of a Konrad drive.....:(

socalstone 12-16-2008 09:24 PM

Boats looking good my man. You still have the vette too? very cool.
Happy holidays.

Hang Time 27 12-16-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by socalstone (Post 2760599)
Boats looking good my man. You still have the vette too? very cool.
Happy holidays.

Hey man! That pic is of when I first got boat. Still have vette, sort of. It got wiped out, and is begining it's second life as a custom tube framed, 1990 ZR-1 suspensioned, fender flared, two fours up through the hood monster.......will be back on road this summer without paint..........

O.C.Barry 12-23-2008 12:44 PM

Vette's & 27's
 

Originally Posted by Hang Time 27 (Post 2760613)
Hey man! That pic is of when I first got boat. Still have vette, sort of. It got wiped out, and is begining it's second life as a custom tube framed, 1990 ZR-1 suspensioned, fender flared, two fours up through the hood monster.......will be back on road this summer without paint..........

Hangtime - Funny when Kenny Boss bought my 27, he had a '66 coupe and I had a '66 Roadster. I'm thinking that Corvettes and 27's go well together. And to answer that other guys question, as you know my old 27 was titled as a Cigarette.

Barry

Hang Time 27 12-24-2008 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by O.C.Barry (Post 2764283)
Hangtime - Funny when Kenny Boss bought my 27, he had a '66 coupe and I had a '66 Roadster. I'm thinking that Corvettes and 27's go well together. And to answer that other guys question, as you know my old 27 was titled as a Cigarette.

Barry

The 27's and vettes - that's wild. I hereby lay the blame on good taste.....


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