38 Top Gun questions.
 

There was a 2006 38 Top Gun in the classifieds recently that I was interested in, but it dropped off yesterday. My question is this: the boat had 600's which seem to be very rare. Approx. how fast should the boat run with that setup and is the additional HP versus 525's worth it? Also, I don't recall seeing any of the TG's with AC or generator.....does Cig ever put them in TG's? Thanks ahead of time for the information.

With that little of difference in hp, I'd go for the 525's purely because 87 octane can be found almost anywhere unlike premium.

There have been some Gun's with Generator and air.

Speedwise low 90's

LOW 90's??? That seems a little high to me. I have a '97 straight hull, heavy gun. I have about 540 HP each side running labbed 26's at about 5350 rpm's. I can see 74 mph on my GPS on a good day. 525's may be a little more and 600's a little more still....but low 90's?? Maybe with a newer hull.

I think low 90's is correct.

Might want to reread the 1st post, it's a 2006, that makes it a newer hull which is about 10 MPH faster than a strait hull power for power. I think it's pretty well documented that the TS hulls run low 80-82 with 500's, 86-87ish with 525s and the 575 boats were bumping 90 if not over with light fuel and the right props.

Wilds boat with 575's running a little more boost than stock hit 92.

You're about on with the strait hull, my 93 would run 76 with 525sc's and dry exhaust and my 97 was mid 80's with 640 HP and stock, non-labbed props. Also you may want to check prop slip, my understanding is the 97's were build with a little higher X than others. I know I had a lot more prop slip on my 97 over the 93. I really wanted to put some 5 blades on it and see how it worked out. I could feel them slip, hook up, slip again....

According to some research Magicfloat was doing to sell a 600/382, the 600's are now rated by Mercury to use 89 octane.....

It's my uncle's boat. Boat does 93mph in perfect conditions...90mph everyday of the week. Biggest difference with the 600s vs. the 525s is the acceleration...its night and day. Let me know if you need any other info on the boat. Boat has not sold as of yet...ad needs to be put back up. Thanks

Robert Scimeca

87

http://www.mercuryracing.com/sterndr...0sci/specs.php

Thanks for the information! I was under the impression that 600's use 87 octane. I couldn't deal with pulling it out to fill up.

oops...sorry guys. Being a blower motor there was once the assumption 91+ was required.

Robert,

Is your uncle's name Vinny? Does he have the yellow/orange TG? If so, I called and talked with him about it and then followed up with an e-mail requesting additional pictures, but never heard from him. Within a day or so, it was not in the classifieds anymore....I assumed it was sold.

I think Pier 57 has a 2005 39' with 525's and genset/ac??

Lip-Ship has one that can be bought right.

Our 2002 TG w/ 575'S went 91 mph w/ 5 blade Herrings. Weight was 13,208 lbs!

Our 02 Top Gun with 500 EFI s does 82 MPH

Yep Vinny is the owner. What's your email?...I'll take care of it.

I saw the boat in A.C. Its perfect!

Robert, Thanks for the help. Here's my e-mail address.

[email protected]

The only thing that's really the same when comparing a straight bottom TG to a newer 38 is the brand name.

"Joe's" 2007 TG with 600's:


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98-99...looks like 97.5 to me.

Judging by offshore cowboy, the 39 is 6-8 mph faster than the 38?
Is a 39 525 boat faster than a 38 525?

No they run about the same 85-87 depending on load ect...

Offshore cowboy is running 6 blade props tweaked by throttle up i believe... hence the higher top end...ours is running stock merc 32s...i'm guessing the same 6 blade props on a 38 would add a few mph as well

vinnie's topgun is one of the cleanest kept boats around!!!!

A couple more questions if you don't mind......does anyone know at what hour 600's typically need a refresh? How do the XR's hold up with 600's? And finally, what kind of head room is in the cabin? Thanks again.

Robby, Has Vinny had any drive issues?

Omerta one,

I don't know if you remember this, but I looked at your 38 ZR earlier this year at Pier 57. I loved the boat, but decided against it because of the lack of head room in the cabin. Can you comment on the head room difference between the ZR and your new TG? Thanks

The boat has not had any drive issues. Drive oil has been changed regularly. If your quick with the sticks and dont do too many hole shots, the drives are reliable. Not sure on the refresh schedule on the 600s. I'm sure someone more knowledgable on the issue will chime in.

Looks like 96.5 to me.

600 is a great motor. I would be concerned with the reliability of an XR drive behind a blower motor. Now if your easy out of the hole and run on a flat body of water, no problem. Choppy water and more then 4 blades is going to be very hard on the drives. Just plan on putting new ones on every 100 hours and you'll be fine. XR's are inexpensive and easy to change.

I thought Vinny told me he had his mechanic go through the drives.......maybe he just meant he changed drive oil.

Omerta one,

Can you comment on cabin size? Thanks!

I looked at the ZRs for a while, and sat in several ZR cabins, but ended up buying a 38 TG. There is a lot more head room all the way through the cabin in the Cig. Especially near the cabin door and the V-berth. My head touched the top of the cabin in the ZR, and I'm only 5' 9". Its not even close in the TG. The same with the v-berth. In the ZR I felt like my shoulders would almost hit if I rolled over. In the TG there's tons of room. I'm not bad mouthing the Donzi's, I used to have a ZX and I liked it a lot. The cabin is low in the ZR because its a flat deck boat.

I have a 2006 39' Cigarette with 600's and full cabin...................OH, For Sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All BS aside is a TS cig really fun to romp and run and play in like a stright bottom , or just good in a stright line like a cat. I am thinking about a TS but haven't spent much time in one and the owner was afraid of it. Any help on twin steps will be appreciated. Thanks

We have TS Top Gun going on 4 years that i put on 300 hrs on it, we have been in NJ, NY, Maryland, & Fla in Poker Runs, we have 500 EFI s that run 82 MPH, i never felt once unsafe, or has the boat ever performed not like i expected, i think they are the Best !!

I had a 98 gun with 600 sc and did 83mph best boat i have ever owned but mine was a straight bottom there is just nothing like it you wont be disappointed at all

I am 6-1 and can sit upright in the cabin without my head touching the ceiling; could not do that in the Donzi.