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seafordguy 03-31-2009 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by 4195 (Post 2833010)
I have been told that TRS and drives with transmissions require more horsepower then Bravos to achieve the same speed. Can anyone verify this?

I think it is a combination of the fact that the transmissions are going to be parasitic, and also I beleive the drive on the TRS's is a little bulkier and therefore rob some speed.

Not to mention the slight extra weight from the Transmissions, and the changing of the center of gravity in the boat - moving it forward.

Ona-Mission 03-31-2009 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by RebarBox (Post 2832696)
Personnaly = 79.8 MPH - full fuel tanks - 4 guys - No chop - fresh water
Reported = 82.?? MPH (LOTO Shootout)
750 HP per side - 598 tall decks
Torque ??
3A's
Stock
3 blade cleavers - I think?? 28 pitch
Rotation - out
None - naturally Asp.

Comparing This set up to a simular set up (swapping out 3A for Bravo drives) would there be improved or decreased performance? I can see that 3A would cut through the water better then a bravo, however I bet 3As are heavier then Bravos.

RebarBox 03-31-2009 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 2833340)
Comparing This set up to a simular set up (swapping out 3A for Bravo drives) would there be improved or decreased performance? I can see that 3A would cut through the water better then a bravo, however I bet 3As are heavier then Bravos.

The speedmasters will handle the higher HP much better than the bravos. You know the Cafes are not light. From your question - sounds like your hunting higher speeds. It takes HP to move a Cafe. It takes more HP to move one to the higher speeds. Heavy boat with high HP - avoid the bravo.

My 2.75 cents.

4195 03-31-2009 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by RebarBox (Post 2833385)
The speedmasters will handle the higher HP much better than the bravos. You know the Cafes are not light. From your question - sounds like your hunting higher speeds. It takes HP to move a Cafe. It takes more HP to move one to the higher speeds. Heavy boat with high HP - avoid the bravo.

My 2.75 cents.

True but still a great ride in rough water......not mention good looking!

DareDevil 03-31-2009 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by 4195 (Post 2833010)
I have been told that TRS and drives with transmissions require more horsepower then Bravos to achieve the same speed. Can anyone verify this?

Yep ,,this is correct all transmision boats are slower with the same HP then a bravo boat !!!!

Havasu Hangin 03-31-2009 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by 4195 (Post 2831724)
I am interested to hear this as well.
I am running 500hp with CMI's, crosssovers, Bravo's 4 blade 24 p. Boat runs consistently in the low to mid 70's. With a good chop( 3ft ) I am seeing 75mph on gps. I am wondering if a set of labbed props would net anything. Boat won't break 71-72 in flat water.

Wow...what RPM are you turning those 24's to get 75MPH?

Here's mine...

Speed on Gps? 80MPH (full of gas/sticky water) 85MPH (best- 15% slip)
Hp? 720
Torque? not sure
Drives? Bravo XRs
Lowers (stock or shorties)? 2" Shorties
props? 28 Bravos
prop rotation (in or out)? Out
Boost? 6lbs

I'm gonna try rotating the props "in" this summer, since the stern seems to need some lift.

seafordguy 04-01-2009 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Havasu Hangin (Post 2833642)
Wow...what RPM are you turning those 24's to get 75MPH?

.

Good question - I spin about 51-5200 with my 26 Bravo's and don't see 75

BLee 04-01-2009 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by RebarBox (Post 2833385)
The speedmasters will handle the higher HP much better than the bravos. You know the Cafes are not light. From your question - sounds like your hunting higher speeds.

It takes HP to move a Cafe. It takes more HP to move one to the higher speeds. Heavy boat with high HP - avoid the bravo.

My 2.75 cents.


Your boat is also able to turn better props than a bravo, which makes a huge difference on how the boat stays hooked up. You're definitely right about how to make a Cafe or straight Gun go, throw horsepower at it, lots of it. :drink:

4195 04-01-2009 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Havasu Hangin (Post 2833642)
Wow...what RPM are you turning those 24's to get 75MPH?

Here's mine...

Speed on Gps? 80MPH (full of gas/sticky water) 85MPH (best- 15% slip)
Hp? 720
Torque? not sure
Drives? Bravo XRs
Lowers (stock or shorties)? 2" Shorties
props? 28 Bravos
prop rotation (in or out)? Out
Boost? 6lbs

I'm gonna try rotating the props "in" this summer, since the stern seems to need some lift.

I am spinning it @5200rpms. It definately requires some trim, last year I had Brett at B Blades check out my numbers I don't remember what the slip % was but I do remember he thought it was pretty good. The rigging was done by Ocean Performance in Old Saybrook CT. I am really happy with it. I will get some pics of the GPS as soon as it gets warmer.

Havasu Hangin 04-01-2009 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by 4195 (Post 2833796)
I am spinning it @5200rpms.

According to my math, that's around 4% slip with 1.5 ratio drives, or around 14% with 1.36 ratio drives.

Do you have 1.36 ratio drives?


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