mystique
 

what do you guys think of them, be very, very, honest. thanks

WMF had one - I am sure he will chime in.

Where do you plan on boating? Off the Jersey shore?

barnaget bay it is.

They are great boats, I loved mine, it ran great!! I did not like the porposing of the boat. It porposed at almost all speeds, you had to use the tabs all the time, but I got used to it. It is a great Cigarette!! Did you find one you like??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At4xlMWmSbo

theres one in the classifieds what do you think .

Price is alittle high, plus those pics are old I believe, has the owner sent you new one's?

That's all I've ever seen the straight bottoms do http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsughno.gif

The twin step version is quite different however. They don't bounce at all.

All of them are really nice inside & out http://smiliesftw.com/x/cool.gif

I love my T/S Mistress it does not porpose at all!! and its alot faster then my old Mystique:drink: I have noticed all strait bottom Cigs porpose alot?

I tell ya what, the boat that that video was taken from sounds sweet :D

mine doesn't porpoise.

Yes the boat was nice, but the owner was a Assclown:drink::drink:

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well that would be all the time..ugh details. :D

That's because 99% of the people who's boats have a porpoising problem are just over trimming the boat! ;) :D:drink:

Well they need to iron that chit out. Honestly, this will be my second summer without working trim tabs. My boat has zero porpose.

I dont think there is a way to get rid of the porpose in the Mystique's. My Mystique had the transome notch filled and the boat still porposed, I dont think there is a way to get rid of it on that model without using the tabs, it had no porpose at top end!!!

I'm definitely not trying to be rude, especially to you, but that's actually not the reason at all.

That's probably true for those that have owned one boat of a particular size, and haven't driven many others, because they would base their opinion on only that particular boat. That's really not even close to the reason why many of the straight bottom Cigarettes porpose according to what Craig Barrie, Neill, Bud Larow, and the guys on the factory floor that used to build them back then.

The reason is because when they started using Bravo's instead of TRS drives, they didn't change the rear bulkhead for a few years to compensate for the change in balance. They never changed it on the Cafe Racers or Bullets, because they stopped building them. They changed them on the Top Guns, but since the Mystique was a smaller boat, yet based on the Top Gun bottom, the change in balance didn't carry over.

This is also the reason that 38's with speedmaster drives like yours, typically don't have the porposing issue that some with smaller drive combos have, because the transmissions act the same as a TRS transmission, and balance the boat out correctly.

My 1992 Top Gun with TRS drives had no problem with porposing at all, but my girlfriend at the time back then, had a 1995 with Bravo's that bouched all over the place if you didn't run the tabs down to 4+, regardless of where the trim was set. The other probably 20+ straight bottom Cigarettes I've gotten to operate varied as well. I drove a friends' 1992 TRS Gun just last weekend that he recently bought, and it had no porpose issue at all.

I guess it's good to be in the 1% instead of the 99% you pointed out, but that's why some porpose and some don't, if you care at all to use it as ammo the next time you have this discussion! :drink:

It's also always good to have 6's! The size of engine sometimes helped the balance, but most of the reason was due to the imbalance of the drives to the center of gravity on the hull.

I drove a friends' 1992 TRS Gun just last weekend that he recently bought, and it had no porpose issue at all.



We tied up to him last Sunday. A VERY clean Gun for sure!!
Couldn't believe only like 175hrs or sumthin crazy like that.
Barn find for sure!!

I think I'm just lucky with mine. being a 2000 and one of if not the first bagged hull and straight to boot, makes me wonder if there is a difference, I also believe its just plain physics and knowing the boat. any boat has the ability to porpoise at any speed because you are balancing the weight on a pendulum and tabs and trim are the counterweights.

The Tigers in the beginning were from the Revolution hull modded, but obviously a different cap. They all rode much smoother than the Revo's, but I even drove a TS Tiger once that had a pretty significant porpose. The props were changed to a nice Hering with a different pitch & rake, and it never porposed again.

They're all just different in setup & balance, but they can all be dialed in to ride great if someone just takes the time. Sometimes you'll get lucky & they come out perfect from the beginning, and sometimes they need to be tinkered with until it's the way the owner wants it to be. That's true with all performance boats though regarding the setup. I just spent some time dialing my Skater in a little differently recently, and it made a huuuge difference for the better as far as what I was going for. It rode fantastic before, but runs even better now :cool:

Now my question to you is why did you leave that one ? :lolhit: unless you found one with a Skater which i know you didn't

I had a vacuum bagged 2000 Top Gun that porpoised without any tab. It was a shame. If you tucked the drives in and tabbed it , she would ride like a limo. Unfortunately, you had to sacrifice the speed for the ride.

Haha, she was the oldest of 3 sisters, that were ALL, and still are gorgeous. Her & I grew up going to the same lake & around boats since we were really little. We dated off & on for roughly 4 years, & are still good friends to this day actually, but we were too young to be "exclusive" back then. http://smiliesftw.com/x/dunnored.gif

She started out in a 223 Formula that was solid black with a 350/260hp block when she was about 11-12 years old. It was like driving around in a lit piece of charcoal it was so HOT. Then she got an F-223 with the red & black imron #2 paint, & 454/330hp block called "Prime Time". The 95 Top Gun with 500's & Bravo's called "Slow Motion" came next, which was THE boat to be on, or tied up to, when she was in college & had it LOADED with all of her AND her sisters' friends http://smiliesftw.com/x/nut.gifhttp://smiliesftw.com/x/cooleek.gif


DAMN those were some good times http://smiliesftw.com/x/dj 2.gif

I wish I had your life as a kid!! What could be better than a Top Gun loaded with hot chicks ?????? :hitit:

'95 Cafe here, Bravos, no porpoise at any speed regardless of trim.
Some do, some don't.
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My 90 cafe does not ever porpoise unless It is very calm, and the drives are pulled out pretty far - then all it takes is moving the drives in a notch or so and it immediately dissapates.

I NEVER use my tabs unless the water is rough and I need to smooth the ride, or there is a sea that has the boat leaning slightly.

I can tell you NOTHING was better than that Top Gun, loaded with hot chicks! http://smiliesftw.com/x/hooray-boobs.gif

The greatest part, was that she had the Gun in both High School, AND college... so being the same age as her, my buddies & I ALWAYS had a fresh batch of her & her sisters' buddies to run around with!

What was an extra bit of fun, was that her Dad always trusted me with his bad ass Egg Harbor sportfish, to take all of his daughters & their freinds out on at night. We REALLY had the boat to be on, when we'd roll that big beast out for the evening. It was more fun than the Top Gun in the evenings, because it was so well lit with lights, and had a really tall flybridge, so you could see everything muuuuch better around you. Plus, you didn't have to do anything besides idle around, & the fun took care of itself. :drink:

What's up Nick!

Yeah, my buddy that owns the authentic 007 Cafe Racer, has the porpose problem if he doesn't run tab. His runs a TRS setup, but the reason for his having the problem, is because his happens to also be one of the very few Cafe's with a notched transom. They only tried the notched transom on a few Cafe's, then stopped due to it not working well.

He's owned the boat since it was almost brand new, so he's really got the touch with it, but he has to start with about 4.5 tab & work them up in really small increments, as he increases the speed. I've always thought trying a better prop on his, might help dillute the porpose a little, but he's so used to being able to deal with it that he doesn't care enough to mess with it. http://smiliesftw.com/x/dunnored.gif

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Are those TruckNutz holding down that cover? :D:drink:

You know that me and you are cool Brandon, no need to give the pre-post sugar coating. LOL :drink:

I was posting from personal experience with my boats and others that I've ridden on. I have been able to make all of my past boats porpoise by giving them too much trim under "cruising" conditions by just over trimming. My Formula and Bullet would both do it and I've been on some other Cigs and a few Sonics that did it as well. There is nothing funnier that watching someone cruise on down the river or Bay bouncing all over the place like flipper! I've never been on one that it couldn't be controlled by common sense or some driving skill....but that's just me. The factory guys all know what they're talkin bout! My Bullet ('88 no notch) was the easiest boat to drive that i've ever been in. Get it on plane and trim it up. I never touched the tabs on that thing. I sure do miss it!! I do get to see it every weekend as the guy that owns it now lives about a mile from me.

My TG is a different story. It took me at least three years to really learn how to run it, but I've got it down to a tee now. ;) I've got to constantly make changes to the trim and tab settings to get it to run level at speeds under 60 with any change in course. 90% of the time I have to run my port tab at neutral and the SB tab all the way up for the boat to be level. It's on phucking rails at higher speeds. Thanks Art Lilly for the bottom tweeks and #6 setup.

Hey Brandon. How's it going?
Thanks for the pics. That notch looks so out of place on that boat. It's deep for sure, and I can clearly see how it could make a difference and induce a porpoise. They've essentially shortened the boat and effectively put the drives further back away from the running surface thus adding a good bit of engine weight and drive leverage -- bow lift, dig in, lift, fall, repeat = porpoise.

I rarely use tab, unless it's to adjust for people and gear weight imbalance and/or to combat crosswind. I usually trim neutral to neutral+1 when cruising, and of course higher when WFO, and I've never experienced a hop of any kind fortunately. I don't think I could make my boat porpoise if I tried.

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Oh yeah, I totally agree that you can "make" any of them porpose, just as easy as you can smooth them all out by how you want to drive them. I was only trying to explain that some of them inherently want to porpose when the tabs on are zero more than others, due to the design.

Sorry for the "sugar coating", lol :drink: I just felt like I should say something beforehand, because sometimes it's difficult to convey the tone of a message by just using text only. That's why I looove them smilies, and people that use them! They make it MUCH easier for me to tell where someone is coming from, as opposed to just using text alone. http://smiliesftw.com/x/tr0n.gif

Have a great weekend bro's! http://smiliesftw.com/x/highfive.gif

My 93 runs level, speedy 3A's, setup at Chief and TNT

With tabs up and drives trimmed, my Bullet rides straight and smooth in flat water until about 65 MPH, then starts to bounce. In rough water, its fine.

What are you talking about that boat has not even seen rough water yet! What you need are some 4 footers. Go out to Block Island sound this afternoon they are calling for so,me decent water.

I would but I dont want anyone to break any limbs !! :eek::eek: