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Ramchargin 07-21-2010 03:23 PM

1974 Cig 20', good deal?
 
Hey all, Im new here so hello!

I have a chance to buy a Buddies 74 Cig 20' for 4k. Its got a Chrysler 440 big block and I believe a TRS out drive. Boat is in incredible shape but needs a very small amount of mechanical TLC. Crazy also is its left and drive!

What do you guys and gals think? I'll post up a pic or 2 tomorrow and thanks for any and all input.

Sean 07-21-2010 03:54 PM

i sold a '74 bare hull for that...no trailer, no motor, no interior, no drive...nothing. so if it is running, or even close to running, and on a trailer, I would be all over it.

Davidmnc 07-21-2010 04:17 PM

Yea, sounds like a good deal. Post some picks!

MF 07-21-2010 04:30 PM

Go for it !

Von Bongo 07-21-2010 10:02 PM

Post some pics and your buddies phone number :party-smiley-004:

Just kidding, assuming the hull is solid that's a deal.

SKRAMER 07-22-2010 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Ramchargin (Post 3164559)
Hey all, Im new here so hello!

I have a chance to buy a Buddies 74 Cig 20' for 4k. Its got a Chrysler 440 big block and I believe a TRS out drive. Boat is in incredible shape but needs a very small amount of mechanical TLC. Crazy also is its left and drive!

What do you guys and gals think? I'll post up a pic or 2 tomorrow and thanks for any and all input.

If you don't want it let me know I'm interested!!!!

Ramchargin 07-22-2010 08:29 AM

Hey guys, thanks for all the positive replies.

He has made me promise him that if I ever sell hes the first one who will be notified.

I cant find my pics of it yet, I'll keep looking. If I dont find the pics I'll have some up soon because were going do to look at it.

A little history of this boat.. my buddies father used to be a drag boat racer and has a house on the Rappahannock river here in VA. He wanted a small but fast boat so he did some research and found out about this boat. I want to say my buddy told me his dad went down to Florida and bought this in the mid to late 70's. Dad got older and lost interest so he gave it to his son and now his son, my buddy, has lost interest and doesnt have the time and money to keep it up so he finally gave in to my pressure. :evilb:

She needs a part in the outdrive, I can remember what he said exactly but its a very small part thats relatively easy to replace and he has it already.

Ok, now that we have all that outa the way. Is this a rare boat? I have searched and searched the internet and cant find anything?? Whats all your thoughts on changing the outdrive to a more up to date on that has trim and tilt?

I am a Mopar guy, been one my whole life owning Cuda big blocks and sittin on an all original 340 Challenger now. All these years of knowing him and dreaming of havin his Mopar big block powered Cigarette has just made me crazy!

RT930turbo 07-22-2010 09:08 AM

Can't wait to see some pics! If it is a TRS it should have trim. I've never seen one with a Mopar before, sounds pretty cool.

Ramchargin 07-22-2010 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by RT930turbo (Post 3165321)
Can't wait to see some pics! If it is a TRS it should have trim. I've never seen one with a Mopar before, sounds pretty cool.

I wont lie to ya, I dont know a whole lot about older boat parts. Its a fairly big, white and boxy looking outdrive that has no T&T. Maybe a Volvo?

RT930turbo 07-22-2010 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Ramchargin (Post 3165323)
I wont lie to ya, I dont know a whole lot about older boat parts. Its a fairly big, white and boxy looking outdrive that has no T&T. Maybe a Volvo?

Sounds like a volvo to me. Not really a bad thing, I'm no expert on volvos, but i think some of the volvo drives are pretty strong and reliable. Definitely old school technology, deep running drives for sure. If you were going to replace the transom, it may be worth changing to a merc, otherwise it just enjoy it as-is!

Ramchargin 07-22-2010 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by RT930turbo (Post 3165330)
Sounds like a volvo to me. Not really a bad thing, I'm no expert on volvos, but i think some of the volvo drives are pretty strong and reliable. Definitely old school technology, deep running drives for sure. If you were going to replace the transom, it may be worth changing to a merc, otherwise it just enjoy it as-is!

Are saying I would have to do transom work to change the outdrive or is there something that will bolt in place? And I do believe you are correct, I remember the outdrive hangin very low. I thought it looked especially low for the shallow transom of the boat.

RT930turbo 07-22-2010 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Ramchargin (Post 3165367)
Are saying I would have to do transom work to change the outdrive or is there something that will bolt in place? And I do believe you are correct, I remember the outdrive hangin very low. I thought it looked especially low for the shallow transom of the boat.

Usually you have to re-cut the transom when you make a major change like that. You would also potentially have to move engine / trans mounts, etc. It is not a small project!

If the transom is soft, or you are planning other work, that is the perfect time to do it.

klaw 07-22-2010 12:19 PM

buy it before he realizes what its worh LOL

Sean 07-22-2010 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Ramchargin (Post 3165367)
Are saying I would have to do transom work to change the outdrive or is there something that will bolt in place? And I do believe you are correct, I remember the outdrive hangin very low. I thought it looked especially low for the shallow transom of the boat.

leave it alone!!! buy it and drive it like ya stole it...cause at that price...you DID steal it... :)

Ramchargin 07-23-2010 09:02 AM

Well you guys arent going to believe this one but.. Im not buying the boat. He has had problems with the outdrive, that and no t&t, I really wanted to update the outdrive but theres no way in hell Im gonna cut onything on that boat. Because I had to agree to sell it back to him if I was ever to get rid of it and it not being a totally family friendly boat well, it isnt coming to my house because the wife leaving me over it would just cost more than that boat would ever be worth. :eek:

Anyway, heres some pics just for the hell of it..
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg

SKRAMER 07-23-2010 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Ramchargin (Post 3166154)
Well you guys arent going to believe this one but.. Im not buying the boat. He has had problems with the outdrive, that and no t&t, I really wanted to update the outdrive but theres no way in hell Im gonna cut onything on that boat. Because I had to agree to sell it back to him if I was ever to get rid of it and it not being a totally family friendly boat well, it isnt coming to my house because the wife leaving me over it would just cost more than that boat would ever be worth. :eek:

Anyway, heres some pics just for the hell of it..
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg

Let him know if he want to sell her. I would be interested. I'll even agree to sell her back to him if I decide to sell her.

Ramchargin 07-23-2010 09:39 AM

FYI for all who keep PM'n me and asking on the thread. Its not for sale to the open market and never will be according to the txt I just got back from my buddy. Sorry all.

RT930turbo 07-23-2010 02:10 PM

Sorry it didn't work out :( Damn that is one cool oldschool ride!

Sydwayz 07-23-2010 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Ramchargin (Post 3166186)
FYI for all who keep PM'n me and asking on the thread. Its not for sale to the open market and never will be according to the txt I just got back from my buddy. Sorry all.

I'm just down the road a piece in King William.

There are options aside from the TRS. A Konrad Drive is one option. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Ramchargin 07-23-2010 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3166513)
I'm just down the road a piece in King William.

There are options aside from the TRS. A Konrad Drive is one option. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Very cool!

I told him today that I posted up on here and what all you fine gents replied. He said he was already a member of this site so I told him to check this thread out. He could use some knowledgeable help with the boat for sure.

Rod, you seeing this yet?

Sean 07-26-2010 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Ramchargin (Post 3166154)
Well you guys arent going to believe this one but.. Im not buying the boat. He has had problems with the outdrive, that and no t&t, I really wanted to update the outdrive but theres no way in hell Im gonna cut onything on that boat. Because I had to agree to sell it back to him if I was ever to get rid of it and it not being a totally family friendly boat well, it isnt coming to my house because the wife leaving me over it would just cost more than that boat would ever be worth. :eek:

Anyway, heres some pics just for the hell of it..
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze21fin/s...G.w300h225.jpg

very nice time capsule. i would not cut that boat up either to change the drive. I do however believe that the 270 is upgradeable to a 280T(with trim and tilt) without doing any cutting at all. Add a Solas prop and/or a speedy lower and you'd be styling... :) all things that can be done and keep the boat period correct if u can find them. just needs to be run the way it is.

too bad u passed on it...the price seems more than reasonable. like the many pms you have probably already received, I too would be interested in this boat if the owner would consider selling. i still regret selling mine...but just didn have the time to devote to restoring it.


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