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bookshelf 11-15-2010 09:49 AM

Any factory 28ss w/ big blocks? How would it handle?
 
I was looking at some pictures online and saw a 28ss spec sheet listing 330 hp, was this a big block option? How bad would it be to work on one, and how would it handle? How much do these boats weigh and how do they handle compared to Apache and Pantera 28's? Thanks

JohnnyMarshall 11-15-2010 10:23 AM

BLee could tell you all you need to know about the 28's.

BLee 11-15-2010 10:58 AM

They run the same as the ones with SB's, there's just less room in the engine compartment. They came with the option of SB's or BB's, so there are quite a few out there.

I almost got one with BB's a LONG time ago when I was looking for one to refurbish, but it was too far gone to mess with. It ran though, & I didn't see any difference in the handling compared to the SB setups.

The single biggest change to make on these 28's, that will REALLY make a positive difference in the boats handling & overall performance, is to switch from TRS drives to Bravo's. If you do nothing else, that's the number one upgrade to do if you can.

CignificantOther 11-15-2010 11:07 AM

I owned a small block Tempest Package 28SS years ago....the boat was very well balanced. Probably one of the best riding 28's out there.
In my opinion, the big block boats are too heavy in the ass end. The 28 could use a little more freeboard as it is, and the big blocks make it worst.
The stock big block boats were generally only a 60-65mph rig. The Tempest 425hp small blocks were good for 75 mph.

TOASTY 11-15-2010 12:28 PM

i know of a SBC twin 28 for sale in nj area. e mail i can give you details. SBC i think handels better then a BB 28 cig

[email protected]
regards,
Christian

Crallscars 11-15-2010 12:35 PM

I have a 28SS with 2 X 454's. Besides it sitting heavy at the dock....and the engines being next to impossible to work on, they run great....really great! But, If you were to accidently drop something in the bildge..you probably have lost it until you either turn the boat upside down or pull the engines.
A 28 SS with small blocks, there is actually room to work on things, you can climb in to the engine bay. With twin 454's there is no access to work on the engines, the exhaust manifolds are only 1/2 inch apart in the middle, the risers poke thru the hatch, if you replace the 330HP intake manifold, I have 425HP's withh stock intakes, the carb will also stick thru the stock hatch. Changing spark plugs in the middle is next to impossible. To remove the engines, you have to strip them to long blocks, strip off the firewall, the exhaust manifolds have to be hoisted out ........... and don't even think about replacing the buildge pumps with the engines in place.
Great boat, but it should have never been made with big blocks.

Fast Shafts 11-15-2010 01:31 PM

Has anyone rigged a 28 Cigarette with a single BBC? This conversion seems to have worked well with 27 Magnums, ie: Deranged, Goumada, Vixen.
There use to be an old 28 Race boat with a single in open II called "Supertoad"
Any other 28 with singles?? Just curious.

bookshelf 11-15-2010 03:27 PM

Thanks for the input, can anyone compare handling of a small or big block one to a Pantera or an Apache? It seems there are more 28ss around at any given time for sale than both of them combined. Thanks

bookshelf 11-15-2010 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by BLee (Post 3253392)
They run the same as the ones with SB's, there's just less room in the engine compartment. They came with the option of SB's or BB's, so there are quite a few out there.

I almost got one with BB's a LONG time ago when I was looking for one to refurbish, but it was too far gone to mess with. It ran though, & I didn't see any difference in the handling compared to the SB setups.

The single biggest change to make on these 28's, that will REALLY make a positive difference in the boats handling & overall performance, is to switch from TRS drives to Bravo's. If you do nothing else, that's the number one upgrade to do if you can.

Thanks for the input, can you elaborate on the trs to bravo though, I had thought by doing that you'd be taking weight out by losing the transmissions, but changing the center of gravity by moving the motors back too. Are you changing the x dimension at the same time?

TexomaPowerboater 11-15-2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bookshelf (Post 3253533)
Thanks for the input, can anyone compare handling of a small or big block one to a Pantera or an Apache? It seems there are more 28ss around at any given time for sale than both of them combined. Thanks

I've never been on a 28 cig, but I have been on a 28 pantera with twin big blocks. The pantera had a serious porpoise at WOT in calm water. I've heard that the porpoise issue with the pantera helps to have more power. The one I was in was a 310hp 454.

My Apache handles great and the motors are relatively easy to work on. You don't need to use the tabs or constantly adjust the trim. Get on plane touch up the trim and thats it. Its balanced well and easy to drive. You can pull both motors without removing anything, including exhaust. Last summer we pulled and installed the starboard side without taking off anything. I'd venture to say the 28 Apache has the biggest engine room out of all the 28's. There is enough room for twin 850SC Merc's without modifying the hatch. Gun Smoke had twin 850's. It actually has somewhat of a raised hatch you can see from the rear. I have been able to sit on the floor of the engine bay with the motors in. In order to change out the plugs I will probobly have to pull the inside risers. I will say that I'm not looking forward to pulling the drain plugs. Freeboard and cabin headroom is also a huge plus.


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