Enclosed Head
 

As I've stated in other posts throughout the forum, I'm a fairly new member extremely interested in boating life/culture. I surf the forum daily simply attempting to acquire boating knowledge. The fact of the matter is I most probably may not ever actually own a boat, much less a boat with the sigma of Cigarette, but I can still dream/wonder right? My question of today comes in regards to the Cigarette 39 Top Gun Unlimited. I've viewed various photos of the boat and read various posts regarding the boat, yet I've never seen a discussion in regards to an enclosed head. I do love the 39 myself, but an enclosed head would be an absolute must if I were to ever purchase a boat of that magnitude. I'm wondering if any 39's were produced with enclosed heads, or if it is even an option which could be incorporated in production. If anyone has an enclosed head on their 39, any photo's or description's of how this option looks and fits within the cabin would be appreciated. Any other basic knowledge regarding this option of an enclosed head within the parameters of a 39 would also be appreciated. Thanks' for the time.

Josh

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Josh - bottom line is that Cigarette has decided (right or wrong) that their clientel is more interested in pounding waves than having an enclosed head on their boats. At Poker Runs people that can afford to have a Newer Twin Step Cigarette can also afford a couple hundred bucks for a hotel so the bathroom becomes a mute point. (I can't afford a TS Cig or the Hotel room so I stay my happy ass up in the V-Berth).

There are other sides to the enclosed head (more weight, addeded plumbing, more things to go wrong, the "smell") - all of which are components that modern CIG owners don't want.

I for one completely agree with you and would never own a boat without an enclosed head. There are others like us.

THAT being said - CIG will build you whatever the hell you want if you have the $$$. They aren't likely to say "no" if you are standing there with a $500-1M check. The telling fact remains though that few are built that way for a reason, and taht reason is customer preferance.

To your original question - There are a couple 39's I have seen pictures of that do have an enclosed head. In both cases I believe the door was on the far left and the enclosed bathroom was essentially right behind where the helm sat.

I have also seen pictures recently of a 46 RR that was a T/S boat with enclosed heads.

You need to note that as a rule of thumb when CIG transitioned to Twin Step Boats that was basically when you began seeing the transition away from Enclosed Heads (I think the Tiger's are the glaring exception here - lots of Flat Bottom Tigers without enclosed heads)

Hope that Helps and hope you get to live out your dream one day.

Some of the first few 39 Top Gun Unlimiteds were built with the center steer option which allowed for a enclosed head in the cabin. Here's the link to one of the ads for one
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o37347-en.html
This pictures dont show the actual head compartment but allow you to get the idea. These are not my photos, just taken from OSO
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8386/0032op.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9296/3734721.jpg

found more
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8396/021zy.jpg
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6409/031ep.jpg

So, is it just a porta-potti in a box?

Just a thought about enclosed head. I have a 91 Cafe with enclosed head (my wife wanted the enclosed head) now that she has it she realized it not all she thought it would be. She is 5'2" and alsmost has to fold in half to get into it. My suggestion is a pump out head in the cabin, and close the door to the cabin. I'll never have an enclosed head again.

agree. ours is used to hold fenders & lines. not much use for anything else other than the 6 yr old likes to show her friends the boat has a potty.

That's the exact opposite of our experience - ours is CONSTANTLY in use. I probably have more hours on the macerator than on the engines!!

I just wish the holding tank was bigger!!!

May I suggest a change in diet? :party-smiley-004:

It isn't because of dietary concerns - the cocktails just never seem to cease....

Did most Cafe's have onboard toilets or is it a pretty rare option and were they self contained or have a seperate holding tank?

What ever happened to using a coffee can?

Enclosed heads are good for kids and midgets only. Easiest to shut the cabin door and use the porta potty. Porta potty hand down.

after using mine I would have to agree, but in the larger v's I may be happy with the extre room in the enclosed head vs middle of the cabin.

On my 1994 Top Gun, I had an enclosed head. It started sticking so bad that I ripped it out and covered up the hole. I have a porta potty now. The boat does not stink anymore. In Texas, 100+ degree weather and a toilet does not mix. It's nasty.

All Cafe's have enclosed heads on the right. In all my research I never came across one that wasn't a seperate holding tank....

...on some boats; maybe. Others--not so.

I hear tell there's even 28 footers with 5' of headroom in the enclosed head. In boats 30' or longer, I think it's a must for me. But if you're just going to be slipped at a marina, fine.

The location of that PP is pretty tacky IMO. But I'll bet someone at the factory will say "but we've always had it there"..... The cabin os obviously not the boat's highlight.

JaStein/Jesting......aStein/Austin.......Josh/Play....Clay?

You're right; the enclosed head(s) on Sea Ray's have plenty of room...

And so does the enclosed head on my 39! :drink:

Hahahaha! I love that bathroom!

Yes sir look at all those TP storage bins...there's even room for some magazines!

That was a sweet rig Tommy; I'll miss seeing that at LOTO. With that said, I can't wait to see the new Gladiator!!

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I apologize for the delayed response, I've been extremely busy the past few weeks. Thanks' to all who have posted in response to this thread. I appreciate the detailed photos as well. It appears as though there are many different porta-potti/pump out toilet options on various Cigarette models. I do fully understand the reasoning behind the way Cigarette produces its 39 Top Gun Unlimited, up to this point I was simply uneducated on why. I will always love the lines of the 39 hands down my favorite looking boat, period. I suppose I'm just turned on by creature comforts, and over-night ability. Like stated earlier in the post that's why the big boys run these boats, they don't have a need or want to over-night them. Again I'd like to thank everyone who posted. Being as I'm a new member (a boat-less peon at that) it's nice to post on a forum and have multiple responses, it helps to boost my learning curve, about the marine industry. I've never recieved as many responses on any other forum as I have here on the Cigarette forum, it's appreciated.

Josh Stein

Comanche3Six
 

I'm not sure if you're wondering who I am? If so my name is Josh Stein, I'm a resident of Cincinnati Ohio, currently a college student closing in on graduation within the next year. Typically have done most of my boating on the Ohio river within a fairly small radius of the city. have also made various trips to Lake Norris, Tennessee.

I just wonder if Josh bought a 37 Active Thunder ?