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bookshelf 06-26-2011 03:01 PM

How many old staggered 35 and 38's?
 
I've seen a couple of staggered 35's for sale the last couple of years but only one 38, does anyone know how many of these boats were made, and how can a fair market value be determined on one, is there any correlation at all to a Mistress or Flat Deck? Thanks

kvogt 06-27-2011 08:35 AM

What happened to the staggered flat deck named RAZZ that was for sale a while ago.

bookshelf 06-27-2011 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 3439245)
What happened to the staggered flat deck named RAZZ that was for sale a while ago.

That's an Apache, isn't it?

STRAIGHTPRIORITY 06-28-2011 08:33 AM

there was a cig also...
i think it had #5's i wanna say it was a 35.

kvogt 06-28-2011 08:37 AM

I think it was a 38 flat deck with staggered Donovon aluminum motors and either #4s or #5s.

STRAIGHTPRIORITY 06-28-2011 08:57 AM

i dont know why i thought it was a 35.
i think your rite #4's
100% cig

bookshelf 06-28-2011 06:39 PM

Do you remember how much that one was listed for, and where it was listed?

302Sport 06-28-2011 07:13 PM

ill bet it never sold seeing as they wanted $65K for an old flatdeck with a blown drive so you couldnt even water test it..........

DareDevil 06-28-2011 08:53 PM

RAZZMATAZE Cig was a 36 flat deck with #4's

1 awsome SOB !

bookshelf 07-13-2011 12:46 PM

Was Razz also referred to as Razzmatazz? Can anyone thats been in staggered and side by side flat decks compare handling and speed difference with similar power?

J-Bonz 07-13-2011 08:53 PM

5 Attachment(s)
Here's pics of Razzamataz. It was a 38 cig with staggers I believe. The guy was from PA that was selling it and it had some sort of Gellner Engines but, Dean wasn't sure about it when I asked...

offshoredrillin 07-13-2011 09:11 PM

razzmataz was originally redone by paul lasassa, papache here on the board. he also has a 38 stagger flat deck for sale now, that was originally a "work" boat that has such a low hin # that it took quite a while to figure out where the boat was for so many years. 35 staggers are daddycool and I think only 1 other and they were both flat deck style decks.

J-Bonz 07-13-2011 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 3452186)
razzmataz was originally redone by paul lasassa, papache here on the board. he also has a 38 stagger flat deck for sale now, that was originally a "work" boat that has such a low hin # that it took quite a while to figure out where the boat was for so many years. 35 staggers are daddycool and I think only 1 other and they were both flat deck style decks.

Great Info!!

offshoredrillin 07-13-2011 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by J-Bonz (Post 3452189)
Great Info!!

thx, people tend to think he is an ass because he is pretty blunt, he is a good guy once you talk to him but he has also owned some nice apaches, he owned Jennys express for a while, the old lip ship j n T electric 41, chillout warrior which is now Island racer...and maybe another new one here soon.

bookshelf 07-13-2011 11:44 PM

Thanks for posting pics, is the dash and engine hatch config the same on Razzmatazz and Bad Attitude? It didn't seem like there would be enough room to have a 6 pack on Bad Attitude. Did Razzmatazz come from Cig as a staggered race boat?

offshoredrillin 07-14-2011 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by bookshelf (Post 3452325)
Thanks for posting pics, is the dash and engine hatch config the same on Razzmatazz and Bad Attitude? It didn't seem like there would be enough room to have a 6 pack on Bad Attitude. Did Razzmatazz come from Cig as a staggered race boat?

I'm pretty sure it did and Paul redid it, I'll talk to him later and have him post..Bad attitude really was a "barn find" when we spoke about it, he was "holy crap, you wont believe what I found"...it came with additional oil tanks i believe as well. it really was a hidden boat. painted all white would look bad ass to me. it can be had for a great price too.

c_deezy 07-14-2011 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3440814)
ill bet it never sold seeing as they wanted $65K for an old flatdeck with a blown drive so you couldnt even water test it..........

Not only was it blown, it was blown up and not even there anymore. I drove a long way to look at it for a friend and was not happy that a sea trial wasn't even optional. He was asking like $85K for it at that point. Needless to say my friend passed on it.

I have a ton of pics I took of it, the boat had potential and was a kevlar layup but was in less than stellar condition and this was I think 3 years ago.

kvogt 07-14-2011 08:05 AM

My 2cents
I think Razzmataz is a very cool rare boat.

c_deezy 07-14-2011 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 3452409)
I'm pretty sure it did and Paul redid it, I'll talk to him later and have him post..Bad attitude really was a "barn find" when we spoke about it, he was "holy crap, you wont believe what I found"...it came with additional oil tanks i believe as well. it really was a hidden boat. painted all white would look bad ass to me. it can be had for a great price too.

From what I recall talking to the current (at the time) owner of Razzmatazz it was originally a side by side that was converted.

kvogt 07-14-2011 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by c_deezy (Post 3452490)
From what I recall talking to the current (at the time) owner of Razzmatazz it was originally a side by side that was converted.

If that is the case someone did a ton of work.

Pull fuel tanks from under cabin floor

Remove bulkhead and battery shelf

Move backseat bulkhead forward

Re- do engine room stringers

Move outside stringers in so saddle tanks can be installed

Transom work

new engine hatches

Cosmetic glass work on the deck


Besides the whole dash layout is different than a flat deck, there is no cabin entrance and its a center steer

nate 07-16-2011 11:12 PM

Just saw Razzmatazz on lake lanier today, sounded great and appeared to be in great shape. badass boat. anyone know where its kept at now?

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8140/photo2rn.jpg

merlin 11-24-2011 11:01 AM

Razz
 
Razz is at our shop. I am building new motors, rerigging the bilge. It is one Bad Ass 38Flat Deck. It will be a bit FASTER.....


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