Ok, what is it worth???
 

Here we go... found a boat that interests me. :drink:


Early 90's Top Gun, fresh water since new.

No corrosion, Lip Ship Edition, full cabin,

598" 10:71 blown, intercooled 1000's, they run fine but should be freshened, (115 hrs I'm told)

Stellings headers (one weeping at the collector/tailpipe joint....)

Speedmaster 3A's, look new, told they have low hrs since rebuild

Paint not too bad, always been under cover or inside.

Interior decent but not of the best quality.

Myco steel trailer in fair shape, no rust.

The boat sat for two seasons and was recently woken up and run for 40 or so miles with no issues. A friend ran it, he said it went well.

I do all my own work and not afraid of blower motors but realize it's a money removal machine and very little buyers for an older big power straight bottom 'Gun.

I'm interested but realistic, what do you Cigarette guys feel it's really worth given the market and time of year?

Thanks,

Kurt the glutton for punishment :drink:

So it sounds like you know exactly what you are getting into. Is the question time,money,effort etc? You realize but are not putting a price next to all of your upgrades. Spare drive, engine rebuilds, interior, etc. How about you jot down what you think you will spend from sending blowers out to be checked all the way down to replacing small stuff like impellers. I did it all and would probally do it again! You have to love the boat. Good luck, Greg

I am no expert & especially hard w/o seeing the boat....difficult to tell. Updates?? I would guess somewhere middle 60's to middle 70's? If in exceptional shape maybe on that upper end. If in poor shape lower end or less of that range. Then again, how bad does it have to be sold & what is it worth to you, personally. That is the value of the boat.....there are a couple mid 1990 models listed with Brett @ PBB here at LOTO in high 70k range. Each of those have updates, blower motors & are in great shape for year.

BIGGUS: is this boat at LOTO?

Yes, the boat is at LOTO. I really don't want to drag this particular boat into question, more of a hypothetical discussion of what an older tired big power Top Gun is really worth in todays market.

As for my time involved, I live for projects and enjoy tinkering with my boats just as much as using them. As for the $$ involved to freshen it up, that can be done over time.

Thanks for the replies and keep 'em coming!:drink:

Kurt

Agreed.......Unfortunately :(

On the other hand, a great time to buy!!! You know the deal Kurt!! :D

My buddy still has that T/S that I was telling you about. It would be just as fast with just 575's.....and you know who has done everything to it :cool:

Call me tomorrow if you have a minute

Carter's boat was the first thing that came to mind for me when I saw your question. His is very comparable to the one you described, but I don't think it's a Lip Ship. Blower motors putting out around 850 and the condition is top notch. Throw in the trailer it has under it and his boat is a steal.

I said all that to say I hope the boat you're asking about is priced cheaper than Carter's boat. Take a look at his ad and see what he's asking.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o41341-en.html

Buck

I hear ya Buck, so if a totally fresh similar boat can be had for an asking price of 79k, what a tired Gun be worth?

Would the SSM3A's add value over a similar boat such as Carter's? Personally, not a Bravo fan on such a heavy old monster.

Kurt

I'm definitely not the one to be saying what they're worth. Not my place. I would think the drives would add some value like you mentioned. Good point on that.

Your concern for the bravos is understood. Surely you know of a company that could make a replacement for them that would meet your needs though???? :grinser010:

Buck

Hold on a minute....Kurt, buck,...u guys both boatless? What did I miss?

I would say mid 60's at best if the seller wants to move it. The speedmasters are a plus, but you are going to spend some money on the engine upper rebuilds and making sure the headers are good to go.

The pricing on early T/S Guns is starting to get interesting. :)

-Glad you chimed in Sean, yeah I sold my 'Gun last fall. In hindsight, I wish I kept it but movin'on now.

What's your take on this mess? Also forgot to mention, the rear seat base is rotted...

Kurt

Thanks for the input. I'm at a bit of a quandry, like the idea of a project but realize how fast you can be upside down with the older stuff.

On the other hand, one can just spend all the money you would have into the finished project and buy a fresh T/S, make the payments and just go boating...

Whoa whoa whoa!!!! I'm not boat less. Your baby is still safe and sound with me and I don't have any immediate plans on changing that either.

I'm just putting my $.02 in on something I probably don't have any business commenting on. I didn't realize Kurt was boat less either until I saw his posts in the last week or so. Caught me off guard too.

Buck.

... not totally boatless, still tooling around in our 22 Pachanga we've had for the past 10 yrs. Miss the big boat badly.:drink:

That's good news guys...thanks for the update! Glad to hear my girl is still in good hands. The gun is prob worth somewhere in the 50s if the power is tired. I do like the 3As though...

Kurt...I'm still working on that 16 I got from your yard 10 years ago!

It's a tough call Kurt. I bought my Cafe two years ago from a guy that had bought it just before the economy tanked. Excellent condition, new cockpit, and 20 hrs on new Zul Power in a hull with 120 hrs on it. We both new there was a big price adjustment in the market and I was paying what it was worth at the time.

Two years later and look at the trouble guys here have had selling their Cafe's - priced well under what I paid for mine. I could spend money on upgrades to make mine faster, but it will never ride as nice as a T/S.

Greg

Glad to hear that old Donzi is still in the works:drink: Like to see it when finished!

I'd say mid to upper 50's is a fair number. Never know what your gonna get into with motors and drives.

The rotted seat base is alittle concerning too. Check floor and bulkhead to makr sure water didn't get there too.

Sell the 3a's and put the new Konrad 3 conversion to it with motor detuned to 800-850 and your gauranteed a reliable package.

My $.02

I don't want to get killed here but I would be in the area of 40k. That is unless you want to own it more than the guy wants to sell it.
It won't be worth more next year. A harsh lesson when I sold my 10 meter...

i agree...to many unknowns...leaking header and rebuilds...what else will come up...and like someone said...t/s guns r looking to b a great buy...

Thanks for the replies guys. I've made an offer...we'll see!:drink:

Kurt

Good luck Kurt! Hopefully he bites! :drink:

Twin Step !!! Twin Step !!!!

And I would run away if a boat had rotted interrior parts !!! Hope it was surveyed before the offer or at least you got to poke it everywhere !!!

Without seeing... For it to actaully sell? Probably mid 40's IMO.

I have not seen the boat..with that said....if the engines are shot, drives in bad shape, interior/hull fair & has some rot I'd guess low to mid 50's. Think about what it will cost to restore/clean up, put that with a purchase price & break at a total cost of high 70's. I just purchased a straight bottom mid 90 gun w/ 100 hour twin 525 EFI's & Bravo XR (engine/drives 2006 model) very nice trailer, interior & overall condition. I paid a whole lot more than $50's but from your explanation of the subject boat it needs some TLC which definitely adds up!!! Good luck with your offer! Keep us posted!

Is it tired as in needs a lot of work to run it, or just it's not brand new appearing but serviceable (ie 2 seasons w/ no major work if you chose)?

If you could run it w/ no major work for a while, I think 50's depending on paint desirability.

If it needs immediate work, 40's as it will never be worth much more than 70/80 fully updated.

One of the biggest limiters is the financing of these old boats. Plenty of guys would love to buy one at 50 or 60, but aren't cash buyers. Cash buyers for that amount are just as likely to just spend more for newer I think.

It's a runner, a friend took it for a 40 mile run a couple weeks ago. As mentioned, the motors supposedly run good but should be re-freshed. Presently solid roller, I'd want to swap out for hyd rollers. One header is weepy..

Paint is decent, very few scratches but it really does nothing for me...

We'll see!:drink:

Sounds nice, good luck.:drink:

Good luck on the search it can be fun and very stressful at the same time.

If I were you Kurt, I'd hold out for either a straight bottom Gun with 6's, or get a TS.

I would keep in mind what it will be worth when you are done with it as well. I would go 01 or newer to be in a T/S and it will take less money aka HP to move it down the lake. Non step Cig's will not retain the resale value like a T/S will in my opinion.

Jt

Kurt, how about a T/S with 6's........ If I could sell my ride I would be all over "Hot for Teacher"....

Oh yeah Steve! funny, I was just watching Hot For Teacher vids on Youtube!:drink:

Did not know it was for sale but quite sure she's outta my price range!

My favorite Ciggie!

Kurt, did anything positive come of your offer? Hope it turns out for you. :drink:

Nope, I'm out.. Light years away! :drink:

Good luck with your continued search.

A good deal is a state of mind, you only live once and I have never seen a brinks truck following a hearse, ole bud.

I love and try not to live by this post! Hahahaha, but its true! :lolhit: