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H20 Toie 04-20-2012 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by mmb (Post 3668859)
A truck capable of pulling 40,000 pounds to move a 15,000 pound boat.......... I'll stick with my F-450, 33,000 GCWR and weighs 8290... That's 24,000 pounds for passengers, cargo and load........ More than enough truck

Put a 18,000 pound hitch on and call it a day.

Yes it is, I towed my cig with a F350 and it worked great but get something that is over 20k and tow it with an 450 and even though its legal it sure doesn't give you much comfort.

just like some of the new 1/2 ton trucks are rated to tow 10k
can it do it? sure
would you want to do it? hell no

frickstyle 04-21-2012 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by tim mccray (Post 3669062)
That's cool, looks like you did your home work and the math.... What's the tongue weight though, I didn't see that in your figures?... Depending on where the wheels of the trailer sit you're usually about 15% of your total weight. They say 10 to 20%. So on the low end you have to ad 10 percent to your total of 15735 for your tailer, boat and fuel, worse case ad 20%. So low end you're about 17,308 and high end you're at 18,882. What does the Dodge tow off the ball mount? And don't forget your weight distribution bars.. At least Dodge says you need them over 10500 I think.

Why would you add tongue weight? Isn't this the downward force applied to the hitch at rest?

I always thought tongue weight a percentage of total weight (trailer + boat)? At 10%, Tongue weight = 1,573#.

Unlimited jd 04-21-2012 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by UrbanDisturbance (Post 3668793)
I was worried about the weight limit.
Did some research.
The curb weight of a Dodge Dually 3500 4x4 Diesel Crew Cap with 8 inch bed weighs around 7800 lbs. Boat 11,500. Trailer 2400lbs. 220 gallons of fuel in boat 1835.90lbs. Full tank of Diesel gas in truck. 268lbs.

Total. 23804.03lbs.
That's below the 26,001 limit.
Of course I did not add beer and people in the car or boat.

Unless I am looking at this wrong, you don't need a Class A or B licence if you drive a 3500.
Tell that to the police.

Go to this link and change the options to 3500 4x4 and crew cap with 8 inch bed, then go to dimensions in the list and look.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/hostc/vsmc/...Code=CUT201215

The actual weight only comes into play when you go through a weigh station. The highway patrol is concerned with gross weight rating. The truck probably has a gvwr of around 12,000, the trailer if it has 8 lug axles is 16,000 lbs so that puts you at 28,000 lbs even if the trailer is empty

tim mccray 04-21-2012 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 3669265)
Why would you add tongue weight? Isn't this the downward force applied to the hitch at rest?

I always thought tongue weight a percentage of total weight (trailer + boat)? At 10%, Tongue weight = 1,573#.

My bad, there's so much crap to take into consideration when towing, and making sure you don't exceed this weight limit or that weight limit. I meant to include the tongue weight on the GVWR, since it is a down force, not to the ball mount weight.

As far as the scales go, the CHP trucks, the commercial enforcement, have portable ones that the carry. They look kind of like small inner tubes and they make you drive the truck and trailer on to them.

SVT 04-23-2012 07:03 AM

I pull a 99 TG with my Eco Boosted V6 F150, pulls it great, no sag no nothing. I think some of the options that have been thrown are out are a big overkill.

frickstyle 04-23-2012 07:50 AM

I would like to start looking for a truck. I like those Freightliners, and was also thinking of an F650. We could use it here at work too, so a bigger capacity truck would make sense for my needs. Sure it's overkill to pull a boat with, but at least you have the extra capability if needed.

I looked on the horse trailer website, but there wasn't much in my price range. Does anyone have another good source for these trucks? I already checked on TruckTrader.

Also, what is the width of those trucks? Would it fit through a 9' door?

OldSchool 04-23-2012 08:48 AM

Here is where I got my truck from:

http://www.haulers.biz/

Texas is where most of them seem to be available...

Tom A. 04-23-2012 10:00 AM

This is from the Federal CDL standards based on no air brakes:

One of the most misunderstood parts of the above requirements has to do with trailers with a GVWR in excess of 10,000 pounds when the combined GVWR does not exceed 26,000 pounds. In this case a CDL is NOT required provided you are not placarded for hazardous materials. However individual states may impose a requirement that drivers in their states must have a CDL in this situation so you need to check the requirements in your state. It is also important to note that individual state CDL licensing requirements CAN NOT be applied to drivers from other states.

Basically:

Under 26,000lbs Combined GVW +
No air brakes +
GVW of each trailer and tow vehicles not exceeded +
Private Carrier (Not For Hire) =
Equals no CDL based on federal standards.

Some states may have different rules and the overall length and wide loads change the rules as well.

seafordguy 04-23-2012 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by SVT (Post 3670472)
I pull a 99 TG with my Eco Boosted V6 F150, pulls it great, no sag no nothing. I think some of the options that have been thrown are out are a big overkill.

I'm not saying we all need 650s but an f150 is just plain ignorant.

That is asking for trouble in an accident.

cigrocket 04-23-2012 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by seafordguy (Post 3670590)
I'm not saying we all need 650s but an f150 is just plain ignorant.

That is asking for trouble in an accident.

I think he was making a joke, these are always touchy threads, good for Popcorn


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