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bigfarmer 04-29-2014 09:02 PM

To Broker Or Not To Broker..??
 
For those who have sold their cigarettes have you listed it your self or listed it through a broker?? Listed My Top Gun personally and wondering if a broker will move it any faster. Is it worth the percentage that they charge? just looking for some opinions. T.I.A.

sleev-les 04-30-2014 05:53 AM

I'm not selling a Cig, but am listed with Pop Yachts. I haven't received one call from them and thinking about cancelling. The hard part with them is that they up the asking price by 10% to get their cut so that you still get what you want for your boat. The bad part is that on the sites you advertise personally, the asking prices are different by 10%. So far, haven't been impressed with the e broker. Maybe an actual broker will market the boat better.

drjrwright3 04-30-2014 06:11 AM

No Cig experience here. Pier 57 sold my Profile for me. They were great to work with and handle all the little things. Such as annoying phone calls by tire kickers and low ballers. One good thing about Pier 57 is that they will take a trade in on a brokered boat, most places will not do that. Money wise I think they will get more for your boat and sell it faster than you could. Probably still get less money in your pocket than an outright sale(no broker).

bajaholic 04-30-2014 06:17 AM

Performance Boat Center is selling boats! I have picked up (Transported) a number of Cigarettes for them in the last couple of month's and ALL have been sold. Being able to offer Service, Financing, and Marketing goes a long way. Yes they charge a fee to sell it, but that is their job... Having the "connections" for people looking for a specific boat is also to your benefit. And.... They are also the ones dealing with the "flakes" not wasting your time with every call and wannabe that cannot afford the item.

Selling your boat yourself may save a few dollars in commission, but what is it costing you?

wnelles 04-30-2014 06:50 AM

I used a broker (Marc Jacob) to sell my last two Cigarettes. Both deals went very smooth and I would use him again.

chewymalone 04-30-2014 08:22 AM

I used PBC in LOTO to sell my 35 TG. I think you will find borkers are able to fetch a higher price than you would on your own due to their ability to take trades and that the buyer has less anxiety knowing they have gone through the boat mechanically (at least in the case of PBC). This basically offset their commission which was reasonable to begin with.

SkaterMike82 04-30-2014 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 4114620)
Performance Boat Center is selling boats! I have picked up (Transported) a number of Cigarettes for them in the last couple of month's and ALL have been sold. Being able to offer Service, Financing, and Marketing goes a long way. Yes they charge a fee to sell it, but that is their job... Having the "connections" for people looking for a specific boat is also to your benefit. And.... They are also the ones dealing with the "flakes" not wasting your time with every call and wannabe that cannot afford the item.

Selling your boat yourself may save a few dollars in commission, but what is it costing you?

Not to steer away about they do their own in house financing ?

GL@PBC 04-30-2014 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Premier Perf (Post 4114739)
Not to steer away about they do their own in house financing ?

No, I use a boat dealer here at the lake for local customers and a nationwide lender for out of state customers that the local place won't deal with.
Glenn
Performance Boat Center

mmb 04-30-2014 02:25 PM

If a broker puts your boat for sale at their brokerage dealership and can show people the boat anytime, then yes it is probably worth it. If a broker lists it for sale on the internet and sends people to your house to see it.... I would say no, you can do that yourself.

Relaxing 04-30-2014 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by mmb (Post 4114907)
If a broker puts your boat for sale at their brokerage dealership and can show people the boat anytime, then yes it is probably worth it. If a broker lists it for sale on the internet and sends people to your house to see it.... I would say no, you can do that yourself.

+1

36Envision 04-30-2014 08:16 PM

List it w/PBC would be my recommendation. You have a full service dealer and a central location in the center of the country on LOTO. Thousands upon thousands visit LOTO during the boating season. PBC will likely have the nicest waterfront location/showroom (new RHYC) in the country (catering to Performance Boats) to view & demo a boat. The guys who operate the shop have extensive experience with sales & service.

dreamer 05-01-2014 07:09 AM

List it with national liquidators

Sold most my boats that way... And even made money on a couple

They get more eye balls as people don't go there for a particular boat, but browse for deals... But they usually sell for retail

TheGladiator 05-03-2014 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by wnelles (Post 4114637)
I used a broker (Marc Jacob) to sell my last two Cigarettes. Both deals went very smooth and I would use him again.

You should use him to try and find you a boat now!!!!! Summer is around the corner!!!!!

bigfarmer 05-03-2014 11:02 AM

Found the boat I want just don't want to be stuck with both and PBC doesn't want mine on a trade.... If I cant sell it ill run it for another year..

endeavor1 05-04-2014 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by bigfarmer (Post 4116498)
Found the boat I want just don't want to be stuck with both and PBC doesn't want mine on a trade.... If I cant sell it ill run it for another year..

I find it hard to believe they don't want your boat on trade. I'd venture to say that they didn't value your boat the same that you do. Dealers have to make money too.

bigfarmer 05-05-2014 06:03 AM

Nope Didn't even throw any numbers my way... "Said the boat is too loud for LOTO and would have a hay day writing noise tickets" even offered to sell without power.

endeavor1 05-05-2014 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by bigfarmer (Post 4117118)
Nope Didn't even throw any numbers my way... "Said the boat is too loud for LOTO and would have a hay day writing noise tickets" even offered to sell without power.

Odd, the team at PBC never batted an eye when selling my TopGun and it ran 750NA motors on dry tails. I've seen several boats in there that were over the top loud. Maybe PBC joined greenpeace and is now being environmentally conscientious or you could have been so high on what you wanted they didn't offer you anything at the risk of insulting you. I'm sure there's more to the story.

Anyway, if you found the 39 you want, go get her. Sweet boats IMO and on my list to own someday once I get all my pennies gathered up. Good luck in your search and finding the right venue in selling your current ride.

adk61 05-05-2014 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4117129)
Odd, the team at PBC never batted an eye when selling my TopGun and it ran 750NA motors on dry tails. I've seen several boats in there that were over the top loud. Maybe PBC joined greenpeace and is now being environmentally conscientious or you could have been so high on what you wanted they didn't offer you anything at the risk of insulting you. I'm sure there's more to the story.

Anyway, if you found the 39 you want, go get her. Sweet boats IMO and on my list to own someday once I get all my pennies gathered up. Good luck in your search and finding the right venue in selling your current ride.

NA ain't BLOWN... cant even hear a na engine running beside a blown one!!

endeavor1 05-05-2014 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by adk61 (Post 4117215)
NA ain't BLOWN... cant even hear a na engine running beside a blown one!!

Yep, sounds right. Big cube high compression NA motors are silent. They remind me of a 330hp 454.

adk61 05-05-2014 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4117234)
Yep, sounds right. Big cube high compression NA motors are silent. They remind me of a 330hp 454.

relax there HOT SHOT!! I'm not dissing your engine, just pointing out that there is a major DB difference in a big CID HP blown engine compared to that of a BIG HP NA engine

bajaholic 05-05-2014 04:36 PM

I am guessing there is more to the explanation that what was "heard" from PBC... They are in the business of selling boats. Now if it was as a trade for a boat they had in stock, then it is numbers... Or if they were going to buy it outright, it is numbers. If they are going to list it for brokerage, they are going to be up front and honest about it's value, resale, etc... Again it is numbers...

People HATE hearing what it is worth when they are trying to sell, no more than they like hearing the number's when they are buying... But somewhere in the middle is where everyone ends up.

Unfortunately some boats are going to be harder to sell due to motors, colors, condition, etc (I am not saying this is about this boat, I have no idea) BUT.... there must be some reason PBC would find it hard to sell the boat, or the owner feels it is worth more than it is for resale from what is offered... One thing I can say, Noise is really not an issue in selling..... No matter how loud it is, we have them here.... That does not mean you wont be visited about it though by the local Water Patrol.

Big Farmer, I See you are in Canada, Double R is a great dealer up there, have you talked to them? Being in Canada, Selling out of Canada and not dealing with USA etc... May be easier as well....

JPD Motorsports 05-05-2014 04:51 PM

Broker saves the headaches of tire kickers an time wasters not showing an such. Lake Ozark Marine, PBC, Suncoast Powerboats, Double R, Pier 57, Aqua-Mania...


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