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MJ11 12-28-2018 01:01 PM

TG 525 vs. 650 engine value?
 
Hello all, first time poster here. I'm looking at 2 TG's and I am trying to determine how much more or less value to put on one having 525 EFI's vs. the other with 650 Richie Zul's. Both engines have about the same times and recent tops. Any thoughts on the pros and cons of each is helpful also.

Thanks!

Knot 4 Me 12-28-2018 01:12 PM

Zul all the way! :boat:

Depends on the buyer. Some only want Merc power whereas others appreciate mills from a respected builder such as Zul.

underpsi68 12-28-2018 01:16 PM

The Merc boat will have a higher value. Zul boat higher fun factor.

MJ11 12-28-2018 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4665715)
The Merc boat will have a higher value. Zul boat higher fun factor.

Say no more then!

F-2 Speedy 12-28-2018 02:24 PM

I say its a tossup, are the Zul engines EFI ? probably not, so whats your preference, EFI or carb. about 540hp vs 650, are they both step bottoms ?, read somewhere that Mr. Zul had retired, but most competent engine shop can work on either.

MJ11 12-28-2018 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4665728)
I say its a tossup, are the Zul engines EFI ? probably not, so whats your preference, EFI or carb. about 540hp vs 650, are they both step bottoms ?, read somewhere that Mr. Zul had retired, but most competent engine shop can work on either.

Carbed, 2004 & 2005 so both stepped. My preference before finding the one with 650's was EFI but I like the 650 boat better in a visceral sense. So while trying to establish some value on both engines, I'm now throwing carbed engines into the mix and trying to see if that is really an issue worth worrying about. From my research on previous threads on Zul engines, I shouldn't be too concerned.

JaayTeee 12-28-2018 03:06 PM

Will you be happy with 80-85 mph ?

runafever 12-28-2018 03:17 PM

For the Cigarette guys that are "in the know" particularly with Lip Ship boats Zuls are the most widely accepted motors other than Merc as they are authentic and period correct for that era. No one will contest the relationship that Cigarette and Lip Ship had with Zul Power from 2000 to 2005 much like the Hawk powered boats from the late
1980s to early 1990s. Very Cool boats and the power is timeless and just pure bad a$$

RAF

MJ11 12-28-2018 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by JaayTeee (Post 4665740)
Will you be happy with 80-85 mph ?

I would assume so right up until the time I get passed....

MJ11 12-28-2018 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by runafever (Post 4665742)
For the Cigarette guys that are "in the know" particularly with Lip Ship boats Zuls are the most widely accepted motors other than Merc as they are authentic and period correct for that era. No one will contest the relationship that Cigarette and Lip Ship had with Zul Power from 2000 to 2005 much like the Hawk powered boats from the late
1980s to early 1990s. Very Cool boats and the power is timeless and just pure bad a$$

RAF

Good info, thanks

1960brookwood 12-28-2018 04:37 PM

Subscribed--researching a purchase and good info here!

lucky strike 12-28-2018 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by 1960brookwood (Post 4665751)
Subscribed--researching a purchase and good info here!

Always!

F-2 Speedy 12-28-2018 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by MJ11 (Post 4665735)
Carbed, 2004 & 2005 so both stepped. My preference before finding the one with 650's was EFI but I like the 650 boat better in a visceral sense. So while trying to establish some value on both engines, I'm now throwing carbed engines into the mix and trying to see if that is really an issue worth worrying about. From my research on previous threads on Zul engines, I shouldn't be too concerned.

The 525's will tell you how hard they have been ran, not with the carb, with any engine maintenance is key,

omerta one 12-29-2018 12:29 AM

I had 800 Zuls in a Gladiator - sent the carbs to Nickerson and they idled good considering the big cam. Ran real strong, best sounding and best looking engines I’ve ever had.

bck 12-29-2018 11:13 PM

I don't think who built the engines originally means much once they've been worked on by other people. I've looked at engines before that were "Zul" engines. After some questions come to find out they've been rebuilt by some different builder. Well then they are now the engines of whoever rebuilt them last and the name on the valve cover is pretty much meaningless. The same is true of the Merc engines. So how many builders have touched these engines since 2004/5 ? You're talking 14/15 year old engines here. Even if they are newer, who else has taken them apart?

lucky strike 12-30-2018 09:19 AM

Unless you had bought 2 new complete 525 efi long blocks from Mercury Marine.
They even came with the valve covers. I think but don't recall if they came with the intakes.
Just install your exhaust headers, alternators, water pumps, distributors, etc.
That's what we did on The "Lucky Strike" F-2 38 T/S Top Gun.

lucky strike 12-30-2018 09:22 AM

This boat. My son LS jr. Bobby now owns it.https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7465727d8e.jpg

Lucky Strike
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7465727d8e.jpg

Lucky Strike

1MOSES1 12-30-2018 08:31 PM

Much like resale red for Ferrari’s....

resale blue for merc blue racing motors...there isn’t a close second.

jeff32 12-30-2018 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by lucky strike (Post 4665997)

hey lucky strike! I think i saw you out the pompano inlet this after noon around 2 pm right? I certainly heard you long after you went by! Sounds like big healthy engines right! What are they?

F-2 Speedy 12-31-2018 06:41 AM

That was Jr. on a lunch run ^^^^^^^......:champs:

lucky strike 12-31-2018 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by jeff32 (Post 4666083)


hey lucky strike! I think i saw you out the pompano inlet this after noon around 2 pm right? I certainly heard you long after you went by! Sounds like big healthy engines right! What are they?

Stock Mercury 525 efi's. We made the exhaust dry to stop reversion.
That's my son Bobby's boat now. LSJr.
Those engines have low hours and are VERY HEALTHY!
We put 2 complete new long blocks from Mercury Marine in it, because reversion took out one of the engines.


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