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81Cigarette33 05-19-2024 07:18 AM

Turning at speed
 
Always a hard one to ask something like this, but as I continue to boat (now 25+ years) and go faster and faster, I want to know what the limits/ signs are before there are problems. Let's cover all the appropriate things. Yes I am the captain and responsible for everyone on board. When I am operating the boat above 7/10ths I am normally by myself or with other speed enthusiasts. I don't want any problems, that is why I ask questions like this. Now with that covered.

Does anyone have a great paper, videos, book about operating a high performance boat. I run multiple twin engine boats, but I really want to understand my 81 Cigarette 33' Limited. In the last 25+ years I have gotten comfortable with top speed, bow height, water conditions, drive trim, and tabs, but I still turn way slow then required. Full disclosure I have a lot more time in my Sea Ray 280 BR (twin 350 60 MPH boat) but has given me a lot of experience with trim/ tab conditions. Every other years is a new event for the Cigarette.

Reggie Fountain had a "delivery video" at one point in time where he was covering drive in, throttle down, turn etc, but I don't remember anything like the boundaries of what is executable. How much drive in, tab position, etc. I know the high performance driving academies are great, but I also know that I haven't attended one in the last 15 years of owning a twin engine boat, so I would love to find books, papers, videos. An help would be appreciated.

Revd Up 05-20-2024 10:31 AM

My advice is don't do it unless you absolutely have to.

I practiced a lot when I was much younger (20"s) on a smaller and slower boat. (20ft Baja)

I learned that there are so many variables in water conditions, that just when you think you have it figured out, you find out you don't. It can spin, or hop a wave grab and hook etc. Some have even rolled them.

Just watch the offshore race guys. Not easy to do.

I always throttle down and turn slowly, then back on it as you complete the turn. Just much safer.

F-2 Speedy 05-20-2024 11:04 AM

Dont do it in a TS Gun or Gladiator.............:angry-smiley-038:

ICDEDPPL 05-21-2024 07:31 PM

Noone knows your boat better than you .. hard to give advice.

Diamond Dave 05-21-2024 07:41 PM

Hands down the best advice is to take a Tres Martin class. He's amazing. Tons of experience in every boat imaginable. Part of the course is done in your actual boat with him. The price of admission I'll admit was a hard one to swallow initially, but you would be hard pressed to find any past student that would not agree it was well worth it.

Tres Martin Performance Boat School – Advanced, Hands-on, Skill Based Performance Boat School

81Cigarette33 05-21-2024 07:57 PM

I am 100% sure the driving academy's are great, but I am not learning to race. I want to know the signs and signals of when you are pushing to far. I do some HPDE in old corvettes. I know what break fade feels like, under steer, over steer, etc.

I am trying to learn how to push boats safely. When I was 20 I had a 14' tri hull that you could turn hard at full throttle because it was under powered. I am trying to understand what causes boats to roll, spin, stuff in turns. I normally turn with drive all the way in and tab neutral. Is there a certain angle lean that should be avoided? Certain degree of turn angle that should be avoided above 1/2 throttle. Just wondering if there is any good reading, videos or experience. There is so much experience on the forum for restoration just checking for operating and speed. Thanks

F-2 Speedy 05-21-2024 08:16 PM

Avoid this..............Speedy got a clean bottom


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4778c4714c.jpg

Drake22.250 05-22-2024 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4898696)
Avoid this..............Speedy got a clean bottom


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4778c4714c.jpg

Clean bottom but drivers seat very stinky.

Quinlan 05-22-2024 05:41 AM

Once you start Feeling It- you are probably Feeling the water next.

Tres class if you feel like pushing it.

Diamond Dave 05-22-2024 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by 81Cigarette33 (Post 4898694)
I am 100% sure the driving academy's are great, but I am not learning to race. I want to know the signs and signals of when you are pushing to far. I do some HPDE in old corvettes. I know what break fade feels like, under steer, over steer, etc.

I am trying to learn how to push boats safely. When I was 20 I had a 14' tri hull that you could turn hard at full throttle because it was under powered. I am trying to understand what causes boats to roll, spin, stuff in turns. I normally turn with drive all the way in and tab neutral. Is there a certain angle lean that should be avoided? Certain degree of turn angle that should be avoided above 1/2 throttle. Just wondering if there is any good reading, videos or experience. There is so much experience on the forum for restoration just checking for operating and speed. Thanks

This is exactly what the course teaches…


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