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Jeffrey 09-22-2003 11:35 PM

42 This and That and 46 This and That!
 
Do any of you think that Cigarette is going a little overboard with all these different 42 and 46 models? I can't keep up with the difference between the XP and non XP, the Rum Runner and the Rough Rider, etc. I understand the reasoning behind the move but I question its viability in the boating world.

Nissan has four 350Z models. I have wondered if that was really necessary or not. Is there logic in having two or three 42 models and two or three 46 models? I always thought of Cigarette as a custom boat builder - essentially boats built to order.

What do the Cigarette afficianados think?

jmackin 09-23-2003 04:05 AM

I think alot of it has to do with The different engine configurations matched to the right step setup. Staggered vs. side by side, hp 500's w/ bravos vs 900's and #6's, etc. One hull isnt gonna perform well w/ all power options & setups, right?

THRILLSEEKER 09-23-2003 07:46 AM

Jeffrey, I was wondering the same thing.

what happend to the days when the 38 was "the 38"

the 35 was "the 35" and so on and so forth

back then they didnt use flashy names for different models The Cigarette name sold itself;)

birdog 09-23-2003 08:13 AM

Just as long as they never mess with the straight bottom Top Gun I am happy !:D :D

BLee 09-23-2003 08:21 AM


Originally posted by jmackin
I think alot of it has to do with The different engine configurations matched to the right step setup. Staggered vs. side by side, hp 500's w/ bravos vs 900's and #6's, etc. One hull isnt gonna perform well w/ all power options & setups, right?
That is what has been explained to me. They are able to custom build the setup and rigging to fit your boating style.


Thrillseeker: What? Cigarettes has always had catchy/flashy names for the boats. Mistress, Hawk, Platinum Series, Bullet, Cafe Racer, Revolution, Decathalon, etc.

Jeffrey 09-23-2003 12:17 PM

Does anyone know what the specifications for each model are? There is the 42 Tiger, the 42 Tiger XP, and one other model I think. Then there is the 46 Rough Rider, the 46 Stealth, and now the 46 Rum Runner. I also heard about the new Gladiator version called the 45 Maximus.

I understand about the different models - 42 Tiger, Tiger XP, Tiger whatever. Isn't it confusing to have different names applied to the same length boat where the names - and not a model designation - dictate the configuration? In other words - why not call the different 46' boats a Rough Rider "XP", Rough Rider "XPS", Rough Rider SS or something along those lines. It's like Mercedes when they used to call their cars a 280S, 280SE, or a 280SEL. The letters dictated the different level of options.

I love the names that Cigarette gives their boats. I think they are very appropos for the marque. That being said they should stick with one name designations for each model they produce. The Top Gun has always been the 38. The Cafe was always the 35. The Bullet was always the 31. You did not need the length to know the boat. We all know the Tiger as a 42. There should be one name for the 46 - not three names.

Many people do not like "Rough Rider" as a name for the 46. Maybe they need to come up with a name that sticks and becomes associated with the 46. The Gladiator will always be a 36 and the new Maximus will be a 45.

Just fruit for thought ...

Von Bongo 09-23-2003 07:55 PM

I'm confused..but what is new :D

THRILLSEEKER 09-24-2003 06:01 AM

cigracer, you are right, I guess what I meant to say was that they didnt make different models of the same size and give them all different names:rolleyes: :o

Raypanic 09-24-2003 06:50 AM

I just seen a 46 Cig with triple 575's. What are they calling that? I was at the metro beach boat show. Sorry I had no camera,

dockrocker 09-24-2003 10:16 AM

Of course, an older 35 is a Mistress, not a Cafe.... ;) and an older 38 is a Flat Deck, not a Top Gun, and I seem to remember a 42 Revolution...

Just yankin' yer chain Jeffery, I think you make a valid point. Too much marketing mumbo-jumbo for me, but maybe it'll sell more T-shirts....

SummerObsession 09-24-2003 10:59 AM


Originally posted by Jeffrey

Many people do not like "Rough Rider" as a name for the 46. Maybe they need to come up with a name that sticks and becomes associated with the 46. The Gladiator will always be a 36 and the new Maximus will be a 45.

Just fruit for thought ...

I never could figure out why they named their boat after a condom.:p :D :p

You are exactly right, there are too many names. One name, one length, add model numbers after that.
It's like the 35, how many names had that had? Mistress, Cafe, Playboy, Mistress again?
Just my .02

GLH 09-24-2003 12:56 PM

If it's the right ride, power, length and price I still want it no confusion here, after all it still says Cigarette on the side.

Stormrider 09-24-2003 02:26 PM


Originally posted by SummerObsession
It's like the 35, how many names had that had? Mistress, Cafe, Playboy, Mistress again?
Just my .02

Don't for get the 35 Awsome.

stecz20 09-25-2003 07:31 PM

just thank the good lord, your ride does not say baja, or scareb, or donzi. your ride says cigarette... every boys dream... GLH is very right

lanpln 09-27-2003 05:26 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeffrey
The Top Gun has always been the 38. The Cafe was always the 35.


I think there was a 35 Top Gun a few years back.

mpally 09-27-2003 05:48 PM

Yep, there was a limited edition 35 Top Gun made i believe in 2000.

Jeffrey 09-27-2003 08:14 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lanpln

Originally posted by Jeffrey
The Top Gun has always been the 38. The Cafe was always the 35.


I think there was a 35 Top Gun a few years back.
I stand corrected. There was the 35 Top Gun which was built around the special edition Playboy boat (how could I forget) plus the Mistress, etc.

Maybe I am wrong and maybe there is a well-thought out process in play here ... maybe a method to their madness! :)

birdog 09-28-2003 08:10 AM

No...I think you are right Jeffrey....I always thought the
35 Top Gun was kinda stupid...A Top Gun is 38....
Why use the name on a 35 also ?

stinger312 09-30-2003 06:30 AM

Do'nt forget we had the race boat dry martini.......

Jeffrey 09-30-2003 01:41 PM

Bottom line is ... there is definately room for confusion. Do they even make the 20' Son of a Gun model anymore? Is this Cigarette's complete current model lineup?

20' Son of a Gun
30' Mystique
35' Top Gun
36' Gladiator
38' Top Gun
42' Tiger
42' XP
42' Stealth
42' Rum Runner
45' Maximus
46' Rough Rider

Am I missing anything from the new models? The other question is ... why did they rename some of the models? The Bullet was always a good name. No one else uses the Bullet and everyone knew it was a 31 Cigarette. Instead of making the 30' Mystique they could have made a new 31' Bullet and called it the 31' Bullet S or something. Same for the 35 Mistress which then became the Cafe and then became the 35 Top Gun. That was kind of nutty to name the 35' boat after their flagship model 38 Top Gun.

I agree with Rum Runner also ... not the coolest name. I thought the Gladiator was a great name personally! :D Maximus is also approriate since that will essentially be a BIG Gladiator.

I'm sure Neill from Cigarette is probably making faces at me right now for stirring things up a little. All in good fun Neill. I am - and will always be - a Cigarette fan no matter what you name the boat. Just don't name one an Apple Martini!
:D

SummerObsession 09-30-2003 02:31 PM

The last brochure did not list the Son of a Gun or the Mystique. I think those are discontinued. Or special order.
The 35 is the Mistress. Again. Go figure.

BLee 09-30-2003 03:10 PM


Originally posted by Jeffrey
Do they even make the 20' Son of a Gun model anymore? Is this Cigarette's complete current model lineup?

20' Son of a Gun
30' Mystique
35' Top Gun
36' Gladiator
38' Top Gun
42' Tiger
42' XP
42' Stealth
42' Rum Runner
45' Maximus
46' Rough Rider

Am I missing anything from the new models?
I'm sure Neill from Cigarette is probably making faces at me right now for stirring things up a little. All in good fun Neill. I am - and will always be - a Cigarette fan no matter what you name the boat. Just don't name one an Apple Martini!
:D

Just received a phone call from an extremely reliable source and was asked to list the lineup on here.

Heres the current line up:

20 Son of a Gun: Discontinued. They still have the molds to build one if you have the $$, but they are not in production.

30 Mystique. See above.

35 Mistress T/S.

The 35 Top Gun was a temporary straight bottom boat. 9 were made.

36 Gladiator

38 Top Gun T/S

42 Tiger T/S: This is a twin engine Bravo boat designed for reasonable power.

42-X: Triple Step designed for big power.

42xp: Discontinued. Evolved to the 42-X

45 Maximus:

46 Rider.

"Rum Runner" and "Stealth" were just the customers personal names for the boats. Neither are actual "Production" names.

birdog 09-30-2003 04:28 PM

No Top Gun straight Bottom ?
Now..Thats a mistake....

BLee 09-30-2003 04:33 PM

They don't make any straight bottom boats anymore. I had a straight bottom Gun. Traded it for a T/S. The T/S is far better in every condition.

birdog 09-30-2003 04:40 PM

Well...........You will have to take me a ride to prove it :D

BLee 09-30-2003 04:52 PM


Originally posted by birdog
Well...........You will have to take me a ride to prove it :D
Deal! You can have a ride anytime. I'm always down to give a ride to an OSO compadre. (Just bring Bud Light) :D

Jeffrey 09-30-2003 05:44 PM


Originally posted by cigracer28/38
Just received a phone call from an extremely reliable source and was asked to list the lineup on here.

Heres the current line up:

20 Son of a Gun: Discontinued. They still have the molds to build one if you have the $$, but they are not in production.

30 Mystique. See above.

35 Mistress T/S.

The 35 Top Gun was a temporary straight bottom boat. 9 were made.

38 Top Gun T/S

42 Tiger T/S: This is a twin engine Bravo boat designed for reasonable power.

42-X: Triple Step designed for big power.

42xp: Discontinued. Evolved to the 42-X

45 Maximus:

46 Rider.

"Rum Runner" and "Stealth" were just the customers personal names for the boats. Neither are actual "Production" names.

GLADIATOR? Discontinued???

BLee 09-30-2003 05:47 PM

Ah whoops! Sorry! Left one out. :D

O.C.Barry 10-03-2003 01:37 PM

I think you can still get a Maximus for 50 cents in a service station bathroom vending machine! :-)

Just kidding, I'm Cigarette through and through.


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