95 Cig 20' why only Bravo III or Blackhawk
 

Does anyone know why Cigarette only offered the 20' in 1995 with a Bravo III or Blackhawk only? My has the Bravo III. The Bravo III seems to be used on non-performance type boats. Why didn't they use the Bravo I? I emailed Cigarette but no response.

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The boat is short and big power. The Bravoa three eliminated the prop torque. Also eliminated the need for trim tabs or less use of them if installed. I have a 1974 with a volvo dual-prop and 350HP small block. the boat doesn't need tabs.

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Yeah, what Cig3 said.
My '82 has a 454 and Bravo 1 set up.
Tabs are defineatly necessary for some speeds/conditions on mine.
Tends to "Torque-Roll" when accellerating from slow speeds (gee, short, overpowered, 24deg V and a radiused keal.....couldn't see that coming :rolleyes: ).
Not dangerous, just anoying.
Still love the little wave basher though.....

Just $0.02 from your Uncle Ernie :drink:

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Hey, CIG3

There are a couple Cig 20's over here in the toledo area.
Maybe we should get a "Cig 20 Support Group Run" set some weekend.
A run with some of the locals would make believers of them :D
Amazing amount of crap these little hummers can take with out so much
as a creak or rattle. :drink:

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Thanks for the posts. When I bought this 20' I was not sure I made the right purchase. It is a fun boat and the more I drive it the more I like it. It was quite an adjustment from my 27 Fountain. just wondered what was up the the b3. Anyone have one with the Blackhawk?

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Ernie,

Great idea... I think that could be a great idea at Kelley's or PUt-In-Bay

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How fast and what power are you running through the Bravo 3? IS there much speed loss on the top end with Bravo 3?

Thx,

jim

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What's the performance like with the Bravo three? Top end? and with what power? What kind of top end is lost with the bravo three vs Bravo one?

Thnx

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I am running an all stock 454 EFI. It planes quick, mid-range is good and top speed on speedo not gps is 72, so far. I have only had it out 4 times so far. Thought about a blackhawk swap but its probably is a waste of money. Boat is way more responsive than my 27 Fountain and more fun to drive.

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Thanks rslick, I appreciate it. If I need to change out drives it's great to know.

Hey uncle ernie, how does your performance compare with your 454 bravo one setup. I realize you said their was some torque steer but what about true top end? Thx,

Jim

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I also installed a gps speedo in my twenty. So that should give me/us a reliable speed reading. My set up has a 260 merc with a mild after market cam (I was told it is worth around 300-320hp. :rolleyes:, We'll see. ) mated to an alpha SS. Was also told she tops out at 65mph (supposedly switching to the SS drive caused a jump in speed by 7 mph to 65) I should have her ready to splash soon to see if I'm going to need to repower or not. If so I will change out the drive also.

jim

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It sure is good to read all the things you guys have to say about your 20 footers. I also have a 1978 20foot that is conpletely redone it has a 540 c.i.d motor it goes alone faily will 85mph on gps.Ernie i have been talking to the guy in the cig.club about maybe doing a little get together next summer if i can get enought interast i would be willing to see if i can make it happen also i am in Gibraltar Mich. so if any of you guys in Toledo would like to do a little running we have three 20footers up in Gibraltar

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jim
post some pixs of that bad boy

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still waiting on a few things bob. in due time.

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Uncle Ernie is really behind on his e-mail........

JGB....Running a 25P Mirrage @ 4500 rpm I'm at 67 mph (stock mag-motor). Was kinda hoping to make it to 70+ without going the hop-up route (I'm big on dependability).
Really wanted to get a 23P on there this summer and see what I would get for speed @ 5000-5200 rpm. Of course that's easier now (hit something labor day at about 65 mph......... :eek: ouch). So I'll be getting a new prop any way. :rolleyes:

Mr. Baldwin,
Count me in next summer. I think that could be a pretty cool run up the coast to check out some like minded fellow's. Probably could get some of the frog-town boys to go too (well, if they're allowed :rolleyes: ). I know "rws" has a pretty sweet '74 with a 383 stroker (among other toys) here in Toledo, and it seems like he knew of a another one.
Careful though, you get enough of these little buggers in one place and there won't be a Cruiser Wake safe in the harbor :drink:

Seems to be more of these than you would expect (made maybe 200 of them total '74-'95?) around Western Erie.
I'll have to post some pictures of the The-Cigarette-Butt (a really short cigarette - don't ya know). :D :D :D

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Ernie it looks like we have enought guys interested at this piont to make it work I have seven boats sigin up at this time with you thats almost a party, so spread the word and will pick a date and time after the frist of the year

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Count me in. Sounds like we could make a day of it.
Where are you out of MB?

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May Be We Can Get Cig 3 To Come Over Too :d

THOUGH HIS IDEA OF INVADING THE PIB WITH A BUNCH OF NOISY-OLD-RESINE-BUCKETS SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE FUN TOO. :drink:

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I'm in..... Putting new interior in this winter.

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Reeeeaaallly.
What's that going to be like (ie: same old style, or changeing up?).
Mine is still pretty solid and cleans up well(for 20 years old).
But had wondered what kind of money that would cost?
(current boat part-pricing experience......guess the most it could possibly cost, then double it ....yeah that's about right :eek: )

Uncle Ernie :drink:

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can we see some pixs of those 20 footers
thanks

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I will try to post a link.To the pictures of my 77


Rob

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I spent alot of time in two freinds 20'ers, and can testify to the fact that they are simply a blast!! When approaching big water or waves, the inclination is to slow down because you're in a small boat, but those things just take the waves better the faster you go. Just hold on to your #*&!! and push on that foot pedal!!! Both boats were TRS setups with 454's and 425hp and 450hp. These guys have been beating the hell out of these things for 8+ years and don't know anything about hull issues or drive problems!!!. They run 70-75. The 450hp one is presently being completely restored and converted to a bravo setup - I'll let ya know what the difference is like. And tabs, yea they've got e'm, but they never use 'em! Hydraulic steering makes all the difference in the world once you get into the 70's in rouph water....

(Keep in mind though, girlfriends love 'em - wives don't....go figure!)