Cig w/surface drives
 

Anyone had any experience with this set up. I know Zero Cavity tried the pulse. Has anyone else tried this, especially arnesons.

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I have been thinking about the same thing for quite some time.
Along these lines I have had some rather in-depth discussions with Michael Peters who was the original designer on the Twin Step Top Gun and he mentioned that he had been "pitching" the idea to Cig for years. But never could get them to try it. (I was suprised and couldn't believe it when he took my call)
Also Rik Wimp from Arneson Industries has been very forthcoming with his expertisse and knowledge and tipped me well in advance to watch for the Formula Article in Powerboat a couple of months back on the 382 Fastech with ASD-6 drives.
I really do think that this is an idea whose time is coming . But I'd like to get the same input as you as to what the possible downsides are if any.
Also did "Blown Away" the Formula 382 Fastech featured in powerboat make it to Key West this year? His experience would be invaluable.
Best,
Robert Shin
a.k.a. Rice Hauler

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Rice Hauler can you Pm me some info on how to contact Michael Peters?

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We just stepped up our engine program as well on our 97 non stepped Gun and will also need way stronger drives for 05.

The new Bravo replacement Arnesons look like a great choice, however I also can't find anyone who has used them on any style Gun stepped or not!

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[QUOTE=Rice Hauler]
I have had some rather in-depth discussions with Michael Peters who was the original designer on the Twin Step Top Gun and he mentioned that he had been "pitching" the idea to Cig for years.

Talk about your sysiphian tasks! I'd imagine that conversation wouldn't make the Boys of Fond du Lac very happy campers.'Bout like trying to convince Microsoft to divorce themselves from Intel. I wonder if we could get any of the boat builders on OSO to tell the truth about the Merc "groundrules".

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there is an old pink one here in Clear lake with arnesons.... boat has 540's in it and I believe it's only been to the water twice in the last 10 years.... one time I saw them fishing off of it and the other was it's tes run... boat suposively never got on plane... With these old combinations that didn't work correctly, I think people are lenient to try it again... but props have come a long ways since the 80's

Ernie

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ttt

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Who has Arnesons on V's, anyone else, :cool: thanks JEFF

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Whew, old thread.

Zero Cavity was quickly switched back to conventional drives after trying the pulse application.

Jassman: I think there are some Hustlers that have surface drive applications.

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more info for you guys. bravo to arneson conversion on a 382 formula

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...0&page=1&pp=20

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Tony Adams, in his 382 Formula, took 2nd overall in the Catalina Ski Race this past weekend. Congrats!

It's the original set of drives, and the second season on them and the second Catalina Ski Race with them and no problems.

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Thanks, Ive been on one with a 38 Hustler, rather impressed, but only got up to 75mph. The Pulse is different than the Arneson. Every Go-Fast boat that I know of, (38PP,38Cig,43BT),has had problems with bow scrubbing speed off, tooooo bow heavy. Also the props are manufactured there and its like an act of congress trying to get results. Im not knocking the system, it's great for other applications, but not go-fasts.

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I have Pulse Drives on my Cafe. For years now. I will never own an outdrive again. Worked the props out and am getting 72-73 on the GPS with a pair of TMP 525's. Hell, I was running 68 with half tank of gas and 8 people on board!

Getting the bow up was an issue until we went to larger diameter props. This made it so I could trim the drive higher and it solved the problem. You would have the same issue with Arneson dragging the nose if the diameter is too small.

There was an old flat deck here in the VI years ago with Arenson. Never had a problem with bow lift, but then again that could have had something to do with the Cat Diesels it had in the back :D

Mongo

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Formula had the idea 19 years ago, not Arneson's, but surface drives nonetheless.

The problem they had with the Kaama drives was when they first came out, you had to buy the Kaama engine package, which I believe in every single case, the engines blew, so it was a matter of guilt by association. People came to associate the Kaama's with bad. The last couple of years, the Kaama's came with Innovation engines, which ran, and still run great, but by then, it was too late to save the day.

The Innovation engines came with basically 454/420's and Gil exhaust. Mine are 19 years old.

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Cuda,
Nice roostertail!!

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Hey Joe I know I've talked to you about the 303 here with Kaama's. The dude spun it on the test drive and scared the living chit out of himself, AND the dealer. Still bought the boat. :D

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The only time my boat scared me was on my first poker run. I hadn't had it long, and wasn't used to the trim tabs. I ran a long way with the boat running at a steep angle on one side. I got out in the bay where I thought I had plenty of room, and lowered one tab. I was sitting on top of a wake going the same direction I was. When the tab went down, it made me turn starboard off the wake pretty damn sharply. I thought I was going to tbone a sailboat. Skeered the chit out of me. I figured out my boat is more tab sensitive as far as steering, because I have a lot less rudder surface area in the water. The previous owner told me to drop the tabs to get on a plane. I found that my boat will still get up on a plane with the tabs all the way up, and that's the way I leave them all the time. The only time I mess with the tabs, is if I accidently hit them instead of the trim buttons.

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Brandon, do you have any pictures of the 303? What's in it for power?

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I don't have any pics of it unfortunately. It sits on a lift that I pass a few times a weekend so I'll remind myself to take a couple. It's solid white and I think it has 330's.

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Thanks. Do you have any idea how fast it's running?

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I've been fascinated with surface piercing drives long before I got into hi-po boats. It was a long time ago when I first became aware of them.

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Not sure of the speeds. The guy got a divorce awhile back and I haven't seen the boat out much since.