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MF 07-09-2007 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by MF (Post 2191022)
...considering the modifications in fiberglass for the outboards, why not make a new boat from her ??????(without destroyng a great 36 ??????)


i don't understand why the people take a boat and modify it at your pleasure to start a production....I mean, like in this case, Outboards mean adding a platform structurally strong, adding stringers, cutting everything for center console and construct new floors, laying out everything....Way too much work, i would prefer building one from start...

My Two Cents..

Honestly i like the results, but i am sad for the boat ...........since mine has gone trough a similar process....and i knew from people i know that a man in my marina was looking at her with the same projects that eraf went trough (converted to CC)...at least i bougth the boat before this happens...

Black Tornado 07-09-2007 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by littlenige (Post 2191038)
I think I'd prefer to remember the boat like this. Marco - hope you don't mind I have pinched a shot from your archive at the address you give on a previous reply:-

what a classic racer it was.

You have made well Nigel, only that a photo of bad quality you have chosen.
However this photo has a curious anecdote because was shot (not from me) at Viareggio in 1972, few minutes before one of the MerCruisers exploded really while the boat was berthed in docks.
A connecting rod had gone out from the pan and it was planted in the hull.
Giancarlo Antonini told me while he was rigging the boat in 1980 to have seen the wound that it still brought in the bottom of the engines bay.
Perhaps who has worked on the boat for this last modifications he has still noticed the scars....

Black Tornado 07-09-2007 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by MF (Post 2191087)
i don't understand why the people take a boat and modify it at your pleasure to start a production....I mean, like in this case, Outboards mean adding a platform structurally strong, adding stringers, cutting everything for center console and construct new floors, laying out everything....Way too much work, i would prefer building one from start...

My Two Cents..

Honestly i like the results, but i am sad for the boat ...........since mine has gone trough a similar process....and i knew from people i know that a man in my marina was looking at her with the same projects that eraf went trough (converted to CC)...at least i bougth the boat before this happens...

And you have saved a myth!
I agree fully with you also however on the good result of the project.

Black Tornado 07-09-2007 07:40 AM

In Italy they remain at least two other Cigarette 36' to save.
One is the former Lady Nara (I), the mythical winner of the 1971 CTC. The English know it well.
The other more and more important because' is the first 36' ever built by Aronow together with the Aeromarine I of Magoon.
It deals with the ex Black Tornado-Eraf-Ego.
36' with more' victories gotten with also the Dry Martini (III),now in England.
And considering that the Aeromarine I was modified radically
from the BAM(another bad story), you can imagine the importance of that 36.'
It seems you are found in the Yards Primatist of Bruno Abbate.

MF 07-09-2007 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2191120)
In Italy they remain at least two other Cigarette 36' to save.
One is the former Lady Nara (I), the mythical winner of the 1971 CTC. The English know it well.
The other more and more important because' is the first 36' ever built by Aronow together with the Aeromarine I of Magoon.
It deals with the ex Black Tornado-Eraf-Ego.
36' with more' victories gotten with also the Dry Martini (III),now in England.
And considering that the Aeromarine I was modified radically
from the BAM(another bad story), you can imagine the importance of that 36.'
It seems you are found in the Yards Primatist of Bruno Abbate.


.....what do you mean ?

Black Tornado 07-09-2007 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by MF (Post 2191173)
.....what do you mean ?

I want to say that if someone is able' to be interested to them is given by to do before also these last two are outraged.

MF 07-09-2007 02:41 PM

Are you sure the first is in the Bruno Abbate yard on the como lake ??

Black Tornado 07-09-2007 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by MF (Post 2191694)
Are you sure the first is in the Bruno Abbate yard on the como lake ??

Tim Brand Crombie has said to me to have seen it there some time ago. I have tried to send an email to the Primatist but as usual I have had not some answer.
I have programmed makes a visit next saturday 21.
Without purchase intentions obviously.:(

MF 07-09-2007 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2191795)
Tim Brand Crombie has said to me to have seen it there some time ago. I have tried to send an email to the Primatist but as usual I have had not some answer.
I have programmed makes a visit next saturday 21.
Without purchase intentions obviously.:(


well let me (us) know any news !!!

StefanoDesign 07-10-2007 02:46 AM

Thanks for all the informations you all gave me, i am impressed about how many things Black Tornado knows about this boats.
@ MF, i will ask if some parts of the boat are still in the boatyard, but i'm not optimistic, because ther is not much space to keep "unuseful"(for them) things. Be sure i will make everything is possible, i watched the 3d about your restoration and i will be happy to help you, if i can. at least with pictures. It's a very hard project and if i think that alfred was in perfect condition, well....:mad: i can understand your disappointment.

Alfred was in Cecina,near Livorno, not at Primatist. it has been there for at least 20 years without moving.


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