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Re: 36 Cigarettes racing back in the days
Originally Posted by Black Tornado
Richie
I'm very displeasured who you have thought that my accusations were directed you and to your glorious history. You truly remain the best one and without spot. My controversy on purpose of the rivalry between Italian drivers comes from the acquaintance of the fact that I personally had way to see and of knowing the reasons of this. They are not to trash words. Between persons of the north and those of the south Italy exist a difference of the way of life and between characters. In offshore there was rich man that played with their expensive toys They loved before and after every contest to take themselves in turn in the nautical clubs. And this Bonomi probably did not appreciate it a lot. As to the Romans it did not appeal to to a lot the flematic Milanese. But all this I think is not interesting to the not italian people. About your work in Kiekhaefer I believe in what you made. Much little I believe instead in the business political that the Kiekhaefer and the Mercruiser made. To see sure things it was not one whichever but same I when I was with one of the best Italian throttleman than all the times. Franco Statua(not "Statwuth"),a World Champion in 1984 and that it has competed and won in Europe for beyond 15 years. 1) 1970 Tommy Sopwith was regular with him Avenger turbocharged Mercruiser but when he raced in Usa was disqualified. Result: World Title to Balestrieri in a Cigarette/MerCruiser 2) 1971-1972 Balestrieri(MerCruiser) after a 1970 without problems had two seasons with a never ending series of mechanical problems. Bonomi and you in 1972 was under judgment for your regular engines. Result: The American Bill Wishnick and Bobby Rautbord World Champs with MerCruiser engines. 3) 1975 Bonomi after three years without remarkable problems with theirs Aeromarines,had a forgettable season and a final discord with Carl Kiekhaefer(why?) that forced him to switch in the last race, to Mercruiser without improvement . Result: an anonimous Wallace Franz won the title. I,m sure that like said some italian throttleman World Champions like Statua and Diridoni in the boat first came the throttleman,then the driver. In fact the real World Champ in 1984 wasn't another anonimous Alberto Petri but Franco Statua. And I'm sure that in 1975 the real WC was you and Bonomi or Moore not the samba brazilian. Sorry Richie but my esteem for you was and will be always very high. I did not want absolutely to offend to you. You can you give lessons to me in this sport. I have intentional to only evidence some facts and wanted to have one your opinion, not to accuse you. Sincerely Marco |
Re: 36 Cigarettes racing back in the days
Richie,
No problem on the St. Pete mention. It was the least I could do. My folks are coming back from Colorado tonight and I will be joining them for dinner tomorrow so I will get Jack's telephone number and forward it to you over the weekend. I am sure he will be happy to hear from you. Jack is truly a great person as are Jock and Marie - I am sure you remember them too. Despite only racing with Jack for the one season in 1977, our families have remained close. They came to my law school graduation and wedding even. I remember in 1987 while attending law school in Miami, traveling with them to Key West for the Worlds. I had a chance to talk to Mr. Gentry that day and he told me all about the old Conspiracy and assured me it was enjoying a distinguished retirement in Hawaii. That was one of many great memories. Anyway, thanks for the kind words and Happy Holidays to everyone. |
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Thank you Richie and Charlie Jr. - both for your kind words - some how wish there was a reunion ala High School - or College say every few years -
Thank you both again - PHIL [email protected] |
Re: 36 Cigarettes racing back in the days
Originally Posted by Phil M
Thank you Richie and Charlie Jr. - both for your kind words - some how wish there was a reunion ala High School - or College say every few years -
Thank you both again - PHIL [email protected] Phil....we are planning a get together on the last weekend in April at a south Florida waterside restaurant that is close to an inlet. (location to be named later) We want as many old boats as possible to show up for lunch and then let all the spectators get a real good look and listen to what this old stuff really was like. After lunch we are going to cruise offshore for about 30 miles or so to get beyond any look at land in any direction....remember those conditions boys? Then we will return ...in an orderly fashion, no doubt...... to land and hopefully have a nice evening dinner planned. A place where we can get these old names together and put some plans together to honor guys like Richie, Jack, Brownie and others before there is no one left to remember just what they did. The HORBA Hall of Fame....it will only be a beginning, but it has to start somewhere. The traffic that the HORBA site is now generating, shows that there is a real interest in this historical stuff. Having Donzi Marine come aboard as a major supporter for HORBA, also shows the industry is noticing and is interested in keeping this history alive. |
Re: 36 Cigarettes racing back in the days
Well you´re still my all time hero Richie!! I count myself lucky to have met you and the crew of Dry Martini (aged 10)and American Eagle (12!) all those years ago when I was a kid. I know that I´m still just a fan and not a player. But thanks to sites like OSO, HORBA, and people like you, my passion still rides high. I may be just a big kid at 42 years old, but I am personally getting a lot of joy from the fact that all of this history is now out there and coming to the fore............and to hear the details from the legends themselves is just amazing. How many sports can say THAT??!!!!
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Re: 36 Cigarettes racing back in the days
Jr,
Is CIGARETTE RACING TEAM showing any support in regard to HORBA? I understand Aronow Offshore is getting back into the water. It would be unique to learn that some of the current builders (boats, rigging, motors etc) whos' marketing strag is using past achievements would not be supporting groups like HORBA. Reading this amazing history is great, i am honored to able to read posts from these great sportsmen! Christian Del Collo Toasty 579 |
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Originally Posted by 7xchamp
Phil: The windshields came about in mid 1973, only two were made. they were made by Cigala and Bertinetti in there boat factory, I think in Milan, Bonomi contracted them to design and build, they weighed about 80 lbs and were a nightmare to install, Bonomi was tired of battling the wind all the time, you have to remember we had no protection from the wind at all, 75 mph plus head wind 25 mph. we were shot after the races which lasted anywhere from three to four hours depending on the course, with little or none protected waters. The windshields helped and didn`t hurt the performance, just didn`t like the looks. The windshield with the blue plexi was installed on the 35` in Atlantic City race then held on wednesday`s, this was done to allow time to return to France for race on Sat. and prior to wednesday race we raced Viareggio Bastia Viareggio, made for long weekend. First windshield went to the light Dry Martini 36` installed I think maybe Cowes or Poole race???????????? not sure. Hope I answered your question, it`s my pleasure.7XCHAMP
Thank you for your detailed answer Richie. I understand what you mean about the look. From the front or 3/4 at eye level it wasn't the prettiest sight. However, from above, I think it was one of the best looking 36 Cigarette. Phil. |
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I think the Cigarette looked great without any kind of windshield, but I understand completely how they must have made life a little less tiring during a long ocean race. Surely it was twofold also - to contribute to crew survival in the event of a stuff, no??
All the same, I was never crazy about this wrap around screen - always seemed oversized. I preferred the slab sided shorter screens seen on the likes of American Eagle etc.... I was hoping to upload a relevant photo but can´t at the moment. Shall try over the weekend. Great pic Phil!! |
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Back to the cast of the film which started this thread.
A picture of Aeromarine IX who won the 1972 Cowes-Torquay-Cowes race after many problems, like finding 350 gallons of Avgas on a small island, for instance.... Richie will probably be more accurate in his narration of a fine victory. Phil. PS, apology for the break in the picture. |
Re: 36 Cigarettes racing back in the days
Originally Posted by Deauville Trophy
Sorry to quote one of my own post but I had lost the thread there!!
Back to Dry Martini distinctive windshield. Could anyone shed light on its origins? The Martini boat was the only 36 Cigarette equiped with such a screen, who designed it? And Richie, having raced both with and without, what's the verdict? Phil. The other two images in b/w was the Dry Martini (I) former Aeromarine IX during the Deauville Trophy in 1973. The different dispositions of some instruments(see the trim tabs) and the fuel switches in the navigator side and the compass and the presence or absence of the strips of Martini's colours in the dash determine the two boats. The windshields was equipped in the two 36' white after the Dauphin D'Or(where raced the 36' lighter). In the CTC where raced the "old" 36' because the lighter one was shipped in Usa for the last races, the boat was with the windshield. |
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