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littlenige 03-13-2007 04:58 PM

Classic Key West
 
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Just love this pic. From the top.
Velocity
Michelob Light
Satisfaction
Cray
Marlboro/Rombo
Dry Martini 2
Slingshot
Rothmans
Apache
The Collection
Toleman Group
Arneson
Ajac Hawk

Dude! Sweet! 03-13-2007 09:14 PM

Awesome!

Oh Deere 03-13-2007 09:31 PM

Any idea what year that was?

ygrowup 03-13-2007 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by Oh Deere (Post 2057038)
Any idea what year that was?

1981 Worlds....200+miles, Ajac Hawk & Apache put a thumpin' on the cat's. Big Seas, Deep Vee's! Or as Mr. Luhrs would say while pacing the 41 Apache a few years later in the same mess... "Cuttin' through the big stuff, eatin' up the reef!!

h2oboater 03-13-2007 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by Oh Deere (Post 2057038)
Any idea what year that was?

Looks Like 1981, the final race, Rampage went with there cat and not there Cigarette did not make the start. I just watched the video !!! again tonight. The Cig AJAC HAWK WON !!!

ygrowup 03-24-2007 03:43 PM

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Here's one for Insp. Clouseau (B.T.).....1982 world's back in Key West, Ajac Hawk is up front temporarily. Mystery is what / who is the other white 37.5 Cigarette in the background, back of fleet, sporting the same style graphics???

J-Bonz 03-24-2007 04:56 PM

Great Pic

Black Tornado 03-24-2007 05:56 PM

It's the #17 Cigarette Hawk but I don't know who drove it at Key West 1982.
Jacoby drove the #17 Cigarette Hawk in all the APBA season in 1982. I thought that that boat was the renamed old Ajac Hawk but maybe it was not so.
In the Ajac Hawk in the foreground the race number is not visible,but maybe it's the US-1 of the new becoming APBA Champ Jacoby.
I have poor informations about that APBA-World Championships of 1982. Maybe one of the two 37'5" was the former Popeye's of Copeland?
By the way the real World Championships that year were displayed in three races in England and the real World Champion was Renato Della Valle in a CUV 38' MerCruiser.

J-Bonz 03-24-2007 11:38 PM

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Are you shure it wasnt this guy!!!!!!!, Jus Kidden

Black Tornado 03-25-2007 09:04 AM

It's a first version of the flat hull outboard from Kitchen Boats Co.?:D

Andrew Corn 03-25-2007 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2069578)
Here's one for Insp. Clouseau (B.T.).....1982 world's back in Key West, Ajac Hawk is up front temporarily. Mystery is what / who is the other white 37.5 Cigarette in the background, back of fleet, sporting the same style graphics???

I believe that was a 35 Cig (possibly former Bounty Hunter) named Panama Hawk driven by two Panamanians.

AC

J-Bonz 03-25-2007 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2070073)
It's a first version of the flat hull outboard from Kitchen Boats Co.?:D

Good Reply................... :)

Black Tornado 03-26-2007 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2069578)
Here's one for Insp. Clouseau (B.T.).....1982 world's back in Key West, Ajac Hawk is up front temporarily. Mystery is what / who is the other white 37.5 Cigarette in the background, back of fleet, sporting the same style graphics???

ygrowup,who are right?
It's the 35' Panama Hawk or the 37'5"
CigaretteHawk?:confused:

Andrew Corn 03-26-2007 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2071316)
ygrowup,who are right?
It's the 35' Panama Hawk or the 37'5"
CigaretteHawk?:confused:

Ajac Hawk and Cigarette Hawk #1 were the same boat and then renamed Super Brut.

The 35' Bounty Hunter was purchased by two Panamanian businessmen and rename Panama Hawk. (Best of my recollection).

Cigarette Hawk #2 was the old 39' Rampage and was run by Craig Barrie.

AC

ygrowup 03-26-2007 11:19 PM

Assumed that it was a 37.5, but Andrew seems to be right that it's a 35. Interesting that it's #17. Doubly interesting that J Jacoby / US-1 has reverted back to Ajac graphics after runnning that season as Cig Hawk? Need a couple 'runners at mile marker 84 & a few more nightcaps atThe Bull to ponder all this!

Black Tornado 03-27-2007 06:49 AM

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According that the 37'5" Ajac Hawk in foreground was #US-1 of Jacoby,who drove that other 37'5" Cigarette Hawk #17?
They are two pics posted by h2oboater in post 204 in Back in The Day thread,and was clearly taken in Key West 1982.....
Anyone have a picture of Panama Hawks?!

ygrowup 03-27-2007 07:00 AM

Fairly sure that H20 took those two pix on the Detroit River; Belle Isle in the background. #17 would have been used until the end of the regular 82 season, US-1 applied after clinching national title & before Key West 'worlds'

Would be interesting to see any pix of the Panamanian-owned Cig.....

Black Tornado 03-27-2007 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2072033)
Fairly sure that H20 took those two pix on the Detroit River; Belle Isle in the background. #17 would have been used until the end of the regular 82 season, US-1 applied after clinching national title & before Key West 'worlds'

Would be interesting to see any pix of the Panamanian-owned Cig.....

If you're sure that it is the Detroit River then that phantomatic Cigarette white is truly the Panama Hawk and the doubts they end here.
I had been drawn in deceit by the background and convinced it was Key West.....

However yes,would be interesting to see any better pix of the Panama Hawk.

Top Banana 03-27-2007 02:03 PM

I just spoke to Jerry Jacoby and asked him about this....he said a guy from Panama wanted him to make him a race boat that was 35 feet ....not the 37.6 and paint it to look exactly like his 37.5.

So the other boat was a 35 and looked the same but was called Panama Hawk.

Mystery solved from the horses mouth.

Black Tornado 03-27-2007 03:29 PM

Well done Charlie!

However a picture of Panama Hawk will be welcome!

saulesses 09-03-2007 12:24 PM

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Here you go, still owned by the same people and running like never before.

Black Tornado 09-03-2007 03:45 PM

Is clearly a 35.'
Then Spirit of Panama/Daddy Cool not is the former Bounty Hunter but as Crouse writes on Searace, Panama Hawk,still alive somewhere in Panama...
Many Thanks saulesses!

7xchamp 09-04-2007 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by saulesses (Post 2257405)
Here you go, still owned by the same people and running like never before.

THAT IS AMERICAN EAGLE: I am 99.9% positive. I was working with Jerry Jacoby when that boat was sold to the Panamanians. Little history on her: She was built in 1975 for Tom Gentry buy myself and Bobby Beich. She was # 99 and had the bicentenial paintjob. we won the South American and UIM world championship with her in 1976, also won the Bahama 500. she was later sold to Ippolitto, we won the river crab race in detroit, plus couple others, before we built the new Scarabs. she sat for awhile, she was then bought buy Rocki Aoki as part of a package, but was never used, and was then sold to Jacoby????? who then sold to Panama. Jerry worked out some deal through sponsorship of motors to Panama, therefore Panama Hawk. I wish she could be returned to the original American Eagle, now that would be a collectible, hope someone has the interest and desire, I will be happy to help in any way to restore her, I would love to put her in the same stables as Dry Martini 35` and Charlies Benihana 35`/Spirit. Those would be three choice originals.
7XCHAMP

TOASTY 09-04-2007 01:44 PM

Hi Champ, Charlie, et al.
Did Cig, apache, USA do any custom lay ups for the race boat owners? Was there 1 boat that stood out as being very unique in terms of rigging and lay-up design? Who had the best rigged boat in the day and who was the rigger?

Top Banana 09-04-2007 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by TOASTY (Post 2258495)
Hi Champ, Charlie, et al.
Did Cig, apache, USA do any custom lay ups for the race boat owners? did they all come out the same way or where there any boats that made some unique over others? Who had the best rigged boat in the day and who was the rigger?

Who was the best rigger????? What are you trying to do start a war?

I am sure that there were a lot of very good guys over the years and at some point in time, each of them stood out as the best for that time. But, to say that one was the best of all time is not something that we would want to do.

Richie had Bob Biech built immaculate boats, Bobby and Jack were at the top of the game for a number of years. Bobby Saccenti and the Apache boats too.

What about Brownie and Mel Riggs and Billy Sirois, guys who built them and engineered them and then raced them.....yeah, there were some great riggers over the years.

Black Tornado 09-04-2007 03:01 PM

Many Thanks to you too,Richie!
That windscreens it didn't convince me. Why to change the original one of the Bounty Hunter?!He would have been unusual and above all totally useless.
Instead is always the same original...that typical of the old white American Eagle.
P.S.another correction for Searace

TOASTY 09-05-2007 07:47 AM

i am in the process of rigging a new 18' and rerigging the sutphen and i am doing almost all of the work. i was thinking of when it was rigged back in the 80s who may have had their hands on it. didnt mean to stir anything. i just thought maybe the top racers had a go to guy. what was the time line like? if you brought a boat in what was the expected time to get it back, did the guys who rigged like you watching over and seeing how things went so u can learn?

Top Banana 09-05-2007 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by TOASTY (Post 2259546)
i am in the process of rigging a new 18' and rerigging the sutphen and i am doing almost all of the work. i was thinking of when it was rigged back in the 80s who may have had their hands on it. didnt mean to stir anything. i just thought maybe the top racers had a go to guy. what was the time line like? if you brought a boat in what was the expected time to get it back, did the guys who rigged like you watching over and seeing how things went so u can learn?

Richie Sutphen did most of his own rigging on his boats. He would be the one to talk to re those boats you have.

Time line often depended on how close to a race it was and how many other boats they had to do.

TOASTY 09-05-2007 10:47 AM

30' sutphen is the rerig
the 18 is a new center console boat for commercial fishing i build.
hows the 35 comming along?


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