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aex 08-09-2008 01:19 PM

Some old photos
 
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Just found these . That's American Dream and the last one I think became Starchaser out of Long Island .

aex 08-09-2008 01:23 PM

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And a few more . I'll post a few more when I have time .

aex 08-09-2008 01:32 PM

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I remember this picture hanging in the Fort Apache bar on thunderboat row .

TeamSaris 08-09-2008 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by aex (Post 2649168)
I remember this picture hanging in the Fort Apache bar on thunderboat row .

We have that pic on the wall at the marina. My dad worked on that boat at Harbour 1 with Keith Hazel.

lucky strike 08-09-2008 05:21 PM

Great shots ....Thanks.

Len S 08-09-2008 07:13 PM

Great pic's

pete60 08-09-2008 07:46 PM

Bit of trivia..don't know if this is the appropriate thread so mods please feel free to move.

Aronow had 2 ( at least!) "The Cigarette"s, powered by twin Mercruisers. One of them was bought by Australians Val and Paul Carr in about 1970 or 1971, and came to race here. I think the other went on to be a "Black Tornado".

Tragically, both Val and Paul were killed in about 1972, when the boat spun in a race off Sydney and threw them out.

Subsequently, the boat was bought by Arnold Glass who ran it for a year or so before buying the candy striped "American Eagle" ( the 36 Cigarette).

The Cigarette was then sold to Norm Jenkin and disappeared. I hope it is sitting in a shed somewhere but I fear it may be long gone..

priceb 08-09-2008 10:46 PM

I had heard American Eagle had been burned and destroyed in a fire.

Also, I heard the other day that Arnold Glass now lives in Monte Carlo racing aeroplanes. He is now about 80 y.o. and still going well

flying fish 08-10-2008 01:35 AM

Re Old Pics
 
These pics have been copied from the Boatmad Gallery (Grahams Library) in which there are hundreds more.This an English website which along with a lot of old offshore films is trying to astablish a good record of offshore.The hope is that it inspires U.S. offshore fans to unearth all those hidden away U.S. pics and put them on this site.All these pics and films have come from my own offshore library in which I began snapping in the early 60`s.For ref the gallery is in www.boatmad.com

Black Tornado 08-10-2008 03:16 AM

I quote you Doc flying!:ernaehrung004:

Came on from US pics!!!!!:cool:

littlenige 08-10-2008 04:13 AM

What the americans need is a platform for putting their shots online collectively. HORBA have done a tremendous job in doing that so far, but what about all those amateur shots out there? The Boatmad site is fantastic for having the 'library' section, where all and sundry can go and browse through 100's of pics in one location. It just takes a huge amount of time to put it all together.

I thought I had a lot of photo's until I saw Graham's library!

pete60 08-11-2008 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by priceb (Post 2649379)
I had heard American Eagle had been burned and destroyed in a fire.

Also, I heard the other day that Arnold Glass now lives in Monte Carlo racing aeroplanes. He is now about 80 y.o. and still going well

Priceb, you might be thinking of Stefan Shampoo, which was a new ( then) 36 built by Riviera using a mould off American Eagle. That Riv built boat burnt in New Zealand.

priceb 08-11-2008 07:21 AM

Pete, I will re ask the guy who told me again. If Riviera flop moulded American Eagle, did they make any others or just the one boat for stefan?

7xchamp 08-11-2008 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by priceb (Post 2650099)
Pete, I will re ask the guy who told me again. If Riviera flop moulded American Eagle, did they make any others or just the one boat for stefan?

The boat you are talking about ( I think ) is the boat that Tom and I raced in Australia, we went down to qualify for the worlds, We raced the Mercury Trophy race in Port Saint Philip bay in Melbourne. One of the coldest roughest races I have ever run, seas in the bay were 8 to 12 ft. wind blowing 40 mph, took us almost 4 hours to go 80 miles, that`s the race where the 44` Longshot???????? Peter Deans old boat, stuffed and broke in half. We sold that boat to a boat Mfg. named John Haines, he built Haines Hunter powerboats. The boat we sold had bottom damage from the race, and was in pretty bad shape, and Tom gave Okay to copy and build boats from. This particular boat was not a Cigarette, it was Toms own design built by ( I think) Rudy Ramos of Rayson Craft boats. Tom built a very big flat pad on the keel, which did`nt work, until we attached an alum. V to make it more like a Cigarette Bottom. The famous 35` Cig American Eagle that I built and won the UIM worlds in 1976 is supposedly in Panama as a Panama Hawk. I did hear that Haines Hunter boat co. did have a fire, and is possible those molds were lost.

Black Tornado 08-11-2008 06:11 PM

Hi Richie,
if I don't remember wrong in a thread some time ago you had spoken of a Cig 35' former Conspiracy-Mighty Mouse that Gentry and you brought in Australia to dispute some competition.

7xchamp 08-12-2008 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2650838)
Hi Richie,
if I don't remember wrong in a thread some time ago you had spoken of a Cig 35' former Conspiracy-Mighty Mouse that Gentry and you brought in Australia to dispute some competition.

Hi Marco: Yes it was the original Allen Alweis sr. 35` Cig named Conspiracy, rigged and throttled by Stuteville, was later sold to Joe Weishelbaum, and named Mighty Mouse. Tom bought it to attend and qualify for UIM worlds in Australia. We ran the first race in Sydney, broke a u-joint at the start which broke the gimble, and forced us out of the race, allmost sunk. We stayed in Australia and New Zealand with intentions of running the other two races, unfortunatly Tom was going through marital problems with then wife Nora, and never showed up for the races. The boat was sent to Calif. shop, then to Hawaii, as a test boat for Tom, Last I saw the boat was in Calif. still same colors etc. I think Billy Dunsmoore is taking care of it. There was pictures etc. on previous threads, just not sure where, I wrote a lot about the cig`s. in those threads.

pete60 08-12-2008 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by 7xchamp (Post 2650188)
The boat you are talking about ( I think ) is the boat that Tom and I raced in Australia, we went down to qualify for the worlds, We raced the Mercury Trophy race in Port Saint Philip bay in Melbourne. One of the coldest roughest races I have ever run, seas in the bay were 8 to 12 ft. wind blowing 40 mph, took us almost 4 hours to go 80 miles, that`s the race where the 44` Longshot???????? Peter Deans old boat, stuffed and broke in half. We sold that boat to a boat Mfg. named John Haines, he built Haines Hunter powerboats. The boat we sold had bottom damage from the race, and was in pretty bad shape, and Tom gave Okay to copy and build boats from. This particular boat was not a Cigarette, it was Toms own design built by ( I think) Rudy Ramos of Rayson Craft boats. Tom built a very big flat pad on the keel, which did`nt work, until we attached an alum. V to make it more like a Cigarette Bottom. The famous 35` Cig American Eagle that I built and won the UIM worlds in 1976 is supposedly in Panama as a Panama Hawk. I did hear that Haines Hunter boat co. did have a fire, and is possible those molds were lost.

7xchamp, this is a different boat to the candy strriped American Eagle. The race you mention was in 1978, and the ex Dean boat was a lightweight 39 special. The boat Tom Gentry ran was sold to John Haines but was destroyed in a race later that year. Haines did take a mould off it and produced a 38ft race boat a few years later under the Signature brand. John HIanes left Haines Hunter in 1980 and after sitting out his restraint started Signature boats which he still owns today. I remember that Gentry one off boat well...it was a plum colour with tapered topsides near the stern.

Priceb, the Stefan Riviera boat was built in about 1987 or so to replace the by now ageing ex American Eagle. Riviera also built a 36 for Bill Barry Cotter to run ( Bill's first offshore race boat) in about 1989.

T2x 08-12-2008 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by aex (Post 2649158)
Just found these . That's American Dream and the last one I think became Starchaser out of Long Island .

The American Dream Shadow Cat originally was "El Boss".

T2x

aex 08-17-2008 02:07 PM

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How about these from boatdesign.net

aex 08-17-2008 02:09 PM

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And these .

aex 08-17-2008 02:12 PM

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This one looks retromod , also from boatdesign.net .
Boatmad.com is THE site for classic shots though .
Does any one know the driver of the Aronow cat ?

7xchamp 08-18-2008 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by aex (Post 2655622)
This one looks retromod , also from boatdesign.net .
Boatmad.com is THE site for classic shots though .
Does any one know the driver of the Aronow cat ?

The guy driving the cat is Ralph Johnson, used to be the mgr. for Don at the time, after McManus.

Rob Bailey 08-28-2008 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by pete60 (Post 2649317)
Bit of trivia..don't know if this is the appropriate thread so mods please feel free to move.

Aronow had 2 ( at least!) "The Cigarette"s, powered by twin Mercruisers. One of them was bought by Australians Val and Paul Carr in about 1970 or 1971, and came to race here. I think the other went on to be a "Black Tornado".

Tragically, both Val and Paul were killed in about 1972, when the boat spun in a race off Sydney and threw them out.

Subsequently, the boat was bought by Arnold Glass who ran it for a year or so before buying the candy striped "American Eagle" ( the 36 Cigarette).

The Cigarette was then sold to Norm Jenkin and disappeared. I hope it is sitting in a shed somewhere but I fear it may be long gone..

their is a thread on the Carr boat here, it was broken up about 10 years ago to far gone.
I remember when Norm had her,he once motored down to black rock with a glam mummy on board.

pete60 08-28-2008 07:13 AM

What a tragedy. Another priceless piece of history gone. Mind you, the boat was regarded as "jinxed" after it threw out the Carrs. Arnold Glass picked it up for a song in 1973 at the auction...

Top Banana 08-28-2008 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by pete60 (Post 2666696)
What a tragedy. Another priceless piece of history gone. Mind you, the boat was regarded as "jinxed" after it threw out the Carrs. Arnold Glass picked it up for a song in 1973 at the auction...

Actually......HORBA has been tracking it and we have some reliable information that the boat was seen within the last year. The hunt continues.

www.historicraceboats.com

Rob Bailey 08-28-2008 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by Top Banana (Post 2666810)
Actually......HORBA has been tracking it and we have some reliable information that the boat was seen within the last year. The hunt continues.

www.historicraceboats.com

long gone ,i spoke to its last owner a year ago.he said he broke it up,but before that they took a mould and he still has the engines and sterndrives.

Rob Bailey 08-28-2008 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by Top Banana (Post 2666810)
Actually......HORBA has been tracking it and we have some reliable information that the boat was seen within the last year. The hunt continues.

www.historicraceboats.com

what section is story in?


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