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gttdnbman 08-20-2013 02:39 PM

Boat history
 
I have a 27 Signature and I would love to know its history. It is a signature boat by title and it defiantly came from the mold but I have found out that it has a Florida issued title (homemade) I want to find out who titled it in 1992 and how it ended up in Michigan I am willing to pay for a boat search but I don't want to pay for something that says what I already know. Any ideas on tracking it down would be great, Thank Bman

SkaterMike82 08-20-2013 03:20 PM

pics pics....great boats

gttdnbman 08-20-2013 03:30 PM

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It's been a long 4 year project but have been very happy with it, it has been a great first summer using it.

salty dog 08-20-2013 09:46 PM

Tommy Adams owned SIGNATURE back in the day,if its an original she was built on 188st in the seventies and early eighties. I think these hulls became hustler or sonic that's a long time ago!

LOTOWONTOPGUN 08-20-2013 10:03 PM

Give this guy a call.
http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/boa/3995259028.html

Nice job on the boat.

turbo rr 08-20-2013 10:20 PM

Love those signatures!

MidOcean 08-21-2013 01:47 PM

The signature 27' hull is where the 28 / 31 Seahawks came from.... with a wider chine and a two piece mold. The hull was eventually stretched to 38' - a real disaster.

A 27' was also used to make the hull mold for the 28' Zero Tolerance CC, later called the renegade CC.

lucky strike 08-21-2013 02:51 PM

I always thought it was a 27 Magnum hull.
Splashed off his "Miss America" 27 Magnum Sport he raced.

northernoffshore 08-21-2013 03:44 PM

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Top Banana 08-21-2013 10:25 PM

It was Steve.

We can recognize those hull lines regardless of the deck they put on them.

Say hello to the family.

mr vinyl 08-21-2013 10:30 PM

The reason it has a Florida issued title and not a Signature is because in was finished after his untimely death. I also understand that the 27 was a splash from his Magnum...Brownie would know.Bud

h2oboater 08-21-2013 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky strike (Post 3980880)
I always thought it was a 27 Magnum hull.
Splashed off his "Miss America" 27 Magnum Sport he raced.

Right you are. Here is a story that I have told before. At the 1976 Charley's Crab St Clair River race Tom showed up with his first 27' Signature that is in this pic. This hull was his Mag sport with it's new deck & still with the Volvo E drives he raced the Magnum with. When I ask why it had a Magnum Vin # he walk away. :party-smiley-004:

h2oboater 08-22-2013 12:18 AM

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It's been a long 4 year project but have been very happy with it, it has been a great first summer using it.

Was This the Signature that had the Ford SHO V 6 car engines in it ?? IF it is you did a GREAT restoration.. As far as this boats history when I ask my friend Bob Sheer [ who had a past life with that kind of boat ] about the large deck hatches his answer,, NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WERE FOR. :eek::eek: What he did tell me was that the lift strakes may have been wider than a Magnum for more lift when carrying heavy loads.

slpcamaross97 08-22-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 3981259)
Was This the Signature that had the Ford SHO V 6 car engines in it ?? IF it is you did a GREAT restoration.. As far as this boats history when I ask my friend Bob Sheer [ who had a past life with that kind of boat ] about the large deck hatches his answer,, NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WERE FOR. :eek::eek: What he did tell me was that the lift strakes may have been wider than a Magnum for more lift when carrying heavy loads.

Had to fix the rotated picture. The boat dosent even look like a Signature with the picture rotated correct.

lucky strike 08-22-2013 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 3981256)
Right you are. Here is a story that I have told before. At the 1976 Charley's Crab St Clair River race Tom showed up with his first 27' Signature that is in this pic. This hull was his Mag sport with it's new deck & still with the Volvo E drives he raced the Magnum with. When I ask why it had a Magnum Vin # he walk away. :party-smiley-004:

The best part of that add was Val his teenage wife lying on the deck!

mr vinyl 08-22-2013 04:45 PM

From my research on Signature boats Tommy made two types of boats, just like Mark said. One for racing, the other for carrying.
Also from what I gathered he was killed because he was an informant for the government. That was found out by his killers when they ripped the gold chain and object he wore around his neck and they discovered it was something besides jewelry.
Bob and I still have the blue Signature that was in Chicago that is now down in Florida waiting to get started on. Bud

MidOcean 08-22-2013 04:58 PM

I bought the 45' Signature Mold from the estate of Bernie Gonzalez. The boat had a crazy 27 degree deadrise. Here is a doc that features Bernie's assassination and from the air you can see the mold in front of his shop.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

1989mach1 08-22-2013 05:24 PM

wow that is an assume vid thanks for sharing...

gttdnbman 08-23-2013 12:02 PM

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H2O, That is the same boat! I did move the cockpit forward about a foot to have more room. I also added the windshield because the previous owner had totally removed the dash so there was nothing. MidOcean thanks for sharing that video, just like a movie! Do you think I could find a name to who ever titled my boat? Someone had to aply for it. LOTOWONTOPGUN I did call that guy with the 27' molds but he has [ATTACH=CONFIG]506837[/ATTACH]not returned my call. Do you think that there is only one mold? or could there be more?

gbochis 08-23-2013 04:29 PM

Steve-
The best part of spending time at the Signature Building on 188th as a teenager was Val's identical twin sister Penny who worked for Tommy in the front office.

salty dog 08-23-2013 08:21 PM

Life and times in Miami, Bernies old race team was called 'The Connection'.

ridefast77 08-23-2013 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by slpcamaross97 (Post 3981599)
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Had to fix the rotated picture. The boat dosent even look like a Signature with the picture rotated correct.

Awesome job, i love reading all the stories from the old days. i have one of tommys 27s as well it was called the riddler raced out of VA beach VA. I have read that tommy was Don's good friend and Dons the one who helped him design and get the signature line up and going , And sonic did not come from signature, sonic came from coyote that came from banana boat. im sure top banana can tell more of the history on that. lets see more pics of that baby.

turbo rr 08-23-2013 10:05 PM

I thought sonic came from coyote. If I can find a project signature in about a year from now it will be on. I wonder how a single 700hp big block would run...

ridefast77 08-23-2013 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by turbo rr (Post 3982375)
I thought sonic came from coyote. If I can find a project signature in about a year from now it will be on. I wonder how a single 700hp big block would run...

coyote.. that's what i meant, brain fart lol thanks and let me know when you want a signature and ill hook you up with my 27. :)

MidOcean 08-24-2013 08:18 AM

Sonics (33 and up) came from the Coyote 38. 31 and below came from the 24 Donzi.

throttleman 08-24-2013 01:07 PM

Correct .

slpcamaross97 08-24-2013 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by gttdnbman (Post 3982103)
H2O, That is the same boat! I did move the cockpit forward about a foot to have more room. I also added the windshield because the previous owner had totally removed the dash so there was nothing. MidOcean thanks for sharing that video, just like a movie! Do you think I could find a name to who ever titled my boat? Someone had to aply for it. LOTOWONTOPGUN I did call that guy with the 27' molds but he has [ATTACH=CONFIG]506837[/ATTACH]not returned my call. Do you think that there is only one mold? or could there be more?

Lets see some more pictures

MidOcean 08-26-2013 12:01 PM

Ran across this ad. Looks like a copy of the 27' Signature - a set of molds.

http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/boa/3995259028.html

gbochis 08-26-2013 01:11 PM

Tommy Adams and Don were not friendly, Tommy built the Signature plant on 188th Street next to Cigarette and put a huge sign on the side of the building that said "If you like Cigarette, you will love Signature." I am sure Top Banana remembers the rivalry as do many others on this board. They were the wild days on 188th Street.

ridefast77 08-27-2013 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by gbochis (Post 3983407)
Tommy Adams and Don were not friendly, Tommy built the Signature plant on 188th Street next to Cigarette and put a huge sign on the side of the building that said "If you like Cigarette, you will love Signature." I am sure Top Banana remembers the rivalry as do many others on this board. They were the wild days on 188th Street.

i do remember reading about that sign and thinking it was kinda funny.

mr vinyl 08-27-2013 10:11 AM

Now I need a photo of it before you old farts can't remember were you put the car keys....what did I just ask for???? Bud

h2oboater 08-27-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mr vinyl (Post 3984016)
Now I need a photo of it before you old farts can't remember were you put the car keys....what did I just ask for???? Bud

This one Bud.

mr vinyl 08-27-2013 10:27 AM

No ...the photo on Tommy Adams wall on 188th St. claiming his boats were the best around even better that Cigarette. No love lost between him and Don. Bud

ridefast77 08-27-2013 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 3984020)
This one Bud.

thats the laddy L


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