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Early Cig/Magnum help
New to the forum and looking for info on identifying some of the early boats. Im looking at one that has Magnum steering wheel and the 27 sport cable, but the top cap looks more cig. Any help is appreciated.
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Does anyone have any pics of the 27-28 foot mag sport or cig 28 models with teak dash and topsides?
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Originally Posted by Fathead2
(Post 4692585)
Does anyone have any pics of the 27-28 foot mag sport or cig 28 models with teak dash and topsides?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fbfa4b0b8c.jpg Here's a 27' magnum sport showing the dash helm and deck with teak insert........ |
Thanks for the input. The one I’m looking at has the entire dash from port to starboard out of teak, as well as 2-3 feet in front of the helm. I’m not sure if it possibly was an aftermarket mod, or an early custom boat from the era. I’ll try and get pics up as soon as I have enough posts per forum rules. |
Would have to be aftermarket if it at all is a 27' magnum...the pictures I've posted are stock 27 Mag dash & deck with life lines & deck insert.
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Thank you for the pics. I still need a few posts before I can add pics. Scippy, did I notice you have a hull for sale in another forum, or are you building that one out?
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Clones?
Maybe one of you guys could give me a few makers that were similar to magnum, aero, etc. I am pulling my hair out trying to put this Hull with a maker. Could be anything from late 60’s to early 80’s. Thanks for the help. |
Transom rebuild
also, any good write ups on transom rebuilds? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Fathead2
(Post 4692685)
Thank you for the pics. I still need a few posts before I can add pics. Scippy, did I notice you have a hull for sale in another forum, or are you building that one out?
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pics added! I have more also.
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Let me know any thoughts on what this is. Also, any tricks for retrieving the HIN from under the primer/filler on the transom. Thanks!
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Very recently there was someone posting looking for identification on a very similar boat that had the same forward deck shape/design . I can't recall the thread but looking for titles using similar terms might locate it (terms like 'what do I have?' and 'can anyone identify / know / what this is ?' ) I think that in that instance the boat was eventually identified. It wasn't too long ago . If there is a HIN hidden under the paint on the transom the only way you're going to expose it is to keep sanding down until it exposes itself assuming that it wasn't completely ground out and obliterated before painting .
In this case whatever that is does sort of resemble a 27 Mag hull but it looks like the builder added extra freeboard from their character line (crease) up . And it's strange to see that line across the transom as well . If you have an exact center line length it might also help . As for transom rebuild threads , there's loads of them , especially in the fiberglass section. Although , if that thing needs a new transom it probably also needs a whole lot more too. |
Thank you for the info. I have noticed that extra accent line on the freeboard, and there aren’t too many of the older boats that have it. Previous owner bought it off eBay, and all paperwork said magnum. Steering wheel is magnum. However, overall centerline is 25’ give or take a few inches. Bilge area has x pattern on both sides of center stringer, unlike any I’ve seen online. There is a halon system and fire lever on the dash. Underneath the teak on front, there is an original dash bulkhead that is untouched. Good idea searching for other identify searches! Should help narrow it down. Yes, I’m sure the transom is just the start. Fortunately it is just soft around the outdrives, which I’m sure is typical. All help is appreciated! |
For some reason I'm pretty familiar with a Magnum 25 . lol
There is strong similarities to the Mag 25 hull except for the character line running across the transom . The Mag 25 hull happens to be 25'5" LOA for reference. I guess it's a possibility that someone splashed one and had to do the 10% variation thing to make it legal but the deck/interior is nothing similar at all . It looks like it's got Volvo 250-270 drives on it and if that's original it will help date it as the 270s were phased out for the 280s somewhere in the later 70s I believe. On the Mag 25s the hulls that had twins in them had a hook on the chines , the single engine hulls didn't , so if that was a splashed Mag 25 hull it was done off of one intended to have a single in it . The dash layout looks like the builder was possibly trying to go with the Mag 27 sport style . The steering wheel in the pics though is def not an original Magnum piece and the deck sure isn't Magnum 25 either . |
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5c250d15c.jpeg Thanks so much for the insight. In regards to the transom line, someone was trying to cover and fill the exhaust holes. From what I could tell, they shaped plywood to match the side lines, then glassed and gelled over it. One of the holes is unfilled on the inside and the ply is visible. This actually might help the HIN quest. I agree, the topside is tough. The louvre/engine hatch setup is similar to a cig, but I don’t think they made a 25??? The teak/dash setup is a bit of a mess, but a couple unique items: 1. there’s two cables on top, missing handles, that look like they were for something in the engine bay. 2. The two large holes look like they could have been for the old style bubble vents??? Or ??? I did did notice another unique feature in the bilge. A large center stringer with 2 smaller outers would have made a single almost impossible with the flush hatch cover. There are no other mounting holes that I could see. What’s unique is the x bracing on the bottom. See pic. Also, this boat has two very large fuel tanks, one under floor, and another in front of the helm along centerline. Please keep the thoughts and experience coming! |
Does anyone have any pics to share of 25' hulls that would be similar?
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There's a couple of pictures here of an original Mag 25 and the brochure .
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...rt-25-a-3.html Notice the hull similarity but the totally different deck . |
Link says page not found. Maybe its me???
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hmm ? Works ok for me . Go to the Magnum forums and it's the 3rd thread down on page one . Started by GreenGo25 titled 'Sport25'
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Magnums available
Originally Posted by madbouyz
(Post 4693058)
hmm ? Works ok for me. Go to the Magnum forums, and it's the 3rd thread down on page one. Started by GreenGo25 titled 'Sport25'
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More help, please and thank you!
Thanks for all the info. After a few days of searching, I still cannot find anything similar as a whole. I really would appreciate any and all 25’ Hull pictures, as this one looks like the mag, minus the transom styleline. IMO, that step was added when they plugged the through hull exhaust. Deck is definitely different. Drives appear to be Volvo 270T’s with extended shafts and spacers? Also, if anyone has any ideas on trying to strip the primer from transom vs sanding, I’d love to try and get the HIN off it. Tips and thoughts are appreciated. Thank you you all for your help! |
The Volvo 270T is very recognizable by what is often referred to as gargantuan elephant ear casings on either side of the trans plate. That thing doesn't have 'em. It looks like it might be some sort of modified/custom outdrive trim system though.
I admit that the hull certainly resembles a Mag 25 but there was a couple of manufacturers who did copies of the 25 , I'm thinking that IMP was one of them. Keep searching here using any variety of search words. There is stuff here , I've seen it before. What is odd about that one is it looks like there was never any provision for a cuddy , just a crawl space to the forward gas tank area. All the other copies that I've seen made use of the space forward for creature comforts. Some more Mag 25 pics here ..... Notice the full cabin door leading to the cuddy . https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...-25-sport.html |
There’s definitely a Lower unit trim system, looks like a hydro or electric ram that comes out at bottom of drive. Plus there’s controls and gauges for it I think. I understand what you are saying about the cuddy/forward hatch. The first bulkhead is actually in front of what I would call the glassed dash, supporting all of that teak. Then there is a matching second one, forward of the gas tank. Topside is rock solid with multiple ribs glasses in, then also fastened to the circular bulkheads. I actually have the seats for it it as well, and will look to see if there’s any numbers on them. I’m not really looking for a diamond in the rough, but certainly have become interested in its history. Thank you all for the help, and keep it coming! |
Originally Posted by Fathead2
(Post 4693345)
There’s definitely a Lower unit trim system, looks like a hydro or electric ram that comes out at bottom of drive. Plus there’s controls and gauges for it I think. I understand what you are saying about the cuddy/forward hatch. The first bulkhead is actually in front of what I would call the glassed dash, supporting all of that teak. Then there is a matching second one, forward of the gas tank. Topside is rock solid with multiple ribs glasses in, then also fastened to the circular bulkheads. I actually have the seats for it it as well, and will look to see if there’s any numbers on them. I’m not really looking for a diamond in the rough, but certainly have become interested in its history. Thank you all for the help, and keep it coming! |
online research on the volvo drives shows a hydraulic pump on top of the mount inside the transom? Yes there are spacers, but I pointed that out. There is definitely a drive trim switch with gauges. As as far as I can tell, the Volvo Drive tag is: Pz nr 2179908 guessing these are original to the boat, so maybe one can help with the era of the drives? |
Monza
if it’s a Monza, I’d love to see a similar one. Not much info or pics of early Monza boats. Especially with no forward cuddly finishing aspects, as noted by Mr Vinyl i keep looking at the transom area with the louvres, style lines, etc. thanks for the input, and keep it coming! |
Originally Posted by Fathead2
(Post 4693372)
online research on the volvo drives shows a hydraulic pump on top of the mount inside the transom? Yes there are spacers, but I pointed that out. There is definitely a drive trim switch with gauges. As as far as I can tell, the Volvo Drive tag is: Pz nr 2179908 guessing these are original to the boat, so maybe one can help with the era of the drives? |
Okay, so they should work for low speed, trailer adjustments, shallow water? Any idea which ones these are off serial #? i have to do some transom work anyway, so I’m not opposed to bravos, alphas, OBs, etc, I would only do the OBs or a major change if I can’t figure out what this Hull is. I do have a soft spot for old nostalgic stuff. Most of what I’ve been reading in the last few weeks is inspiring. Thanks |
Here is a pic of a 26' Monza that was for sale a few years ago, your hull looks like it.https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5d2865b9c5.jpg
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I did see this one, but everything from cockpit forward on the deck is different. Also, I think that Hull was gutted on the inside, and the construction, stringers, etc. is different. Not to to say that it can’t be a Monza from a different era, but the similarities are just as prevalent as the differences. Are there any resources, archives, builds, or info anywhere on Monza stuff? Looks like most of it up until the 80’s was all custom? Anyone know any history? Thanks again! |
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