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rte203 05-29-2012 03:11 PM

Laminate thickness question?
 
Hello, Can some help me? I am in the process of replacing stringers in a 22' scarab, in the bilge area were the motor mount brackets were. the original laminate was about 3/8 to 7/16 " thick. I am ready to start replacing the laminate with epoxy and glass, how many layers of 1700 biax is required to duplicate 7/16? Or can some one suggest a lay up schedule using epoxy? I need the 7/16 so the mounts end up in the same place. Thank in advance for any comments

38 X 05-29-2012 03:23 PM

I'm in the same proverbial boat( excuse the pun) I'm replacing the same stringer and could use the advice!

rte203 05-29-2012 03:54 PM

[QUOTE=38 X;3697746]I'm in the same proverbial boat( excuse the pun) I'm replacing the same stringer and could use the advice![/QUOTE

Maybe we will get lucky

glassdave 05-29-2012 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by rte203 (Post 3697741)
Hello, Can some help me? I am in the process of replacing stringers in a 22' scarab, in the bilge area were the motor mount brackets were. the original laminate was about 3/8 to 7/16 " thick. I am ready to start replacing the laminate with epoxy and glass, how many layers of 1700 biax is required to duplicate 7/16? Or can some one suggest a lay up schedule using epoxy? I need the 7/16 so the mounts end up in the same place. Thank in advance for any comments

its not necessary to duplicate the thickness and counterproductive to using the high end laminates in the first place. The whole purpose for using epoxy is to build a lighter/stronger laminate based on technology rather then bulk strength. Standard layup for stringers is two full layers with one or two layers of tabbing staggered in. If it were me i would either adjust the thickness of the core or move the stringers as necessary. Or for simplicities sake make a new mount or re drill

you will love the 1700 as opposed to 1708, wets out sooooo much nicer and its way easier to balance.

(that standard layup is actually just my standard layup for a mid size boat . . . . i would assume the rest on the industry to be similar :D)

bobsbillets 05-29-2012 04:28 PM

Just save the money and use polyester Resin and a regular 1708 mat. You will save money on resin and get your thinkness you are looking for. Just a FYI 5 gallons of resin is about $125 and the 1708 is about $10 a yard on average.....Its what Dave was trying to tell you. I just made it a bit more simple to understand LOL....

glassdave 05-29-2012 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by bobsbillets (Post 3697799)
Just save the money and use polyester Resin and a regular 1708 mat. You will save money on resin and get your thinkness you are looking for. Just a FYI 5 gallons of resin is about $125 and the 1708 is about $10 a yard on average.....Its what Dave was trying to tell you. I just made it a bit more simple to understand LOL....

pretty much lol :D


i hardly use epoxy on anything unless its a full composite build(foam stringers, etc) or a very high performance race build. I prefer vinylester to anything.

scippy 05-29-2012 07:48 PM

Exactly what dave said "just increase the core" if you need mounts to exactly match up. For example, the stringer I replaced on my '76 magnum had a plywood 1/2" core, but laminant thickness was more than 5/16" on either side. I replaced the 1/2" with 3/4" ply and decreased the laminant thickness by almost half........I used vinylester & 1708.

rte203 05-29-2012 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 3697812)
pretty much lol :D


i hardly use epoxy on anything unless its a full composite build(foam stringers, etc) or a very high performance race build. I prefer vinylester to anything.

Thanks Guys, For the information, as this is the first time
( newbie), I have already built the stringers, as the original were built, ( like a Box), 97 22 wellcraft Scarab style, I have also already started the process with epoxy, all of the fillets were done with epoxy, cabosil and chopped strain, I also glued all of the inner joints in the stringer boxes with T-88. I wanted to use polyester but there was just so much hype on the net about it coming apart, I guess I fell victim to a fear based fasle sense of fiberglass, so now its to late as the poly surely wouldnt stick to the filets. I guess the best thing to do is what Dave suggested, Have the mounts rebullt. I built a jig and bolted the mounts to the Jig and then took them loose from the original Stringers because I know nothing about how to set up a motor in a boat, I figured it would be easier to build it exactly as the factory did.

Should the staggered tabbing should it be 1700 as well?

Thanks for great responses, you guys are great.

rte203 05-29-2012 08:06 PM

Hey, should I glue another peice of plywood, like 3/8" think to the stringer that I built , just in the motor mount area transom to 1st bulk head of course, to make it thicker? and then re-filet?

scippy 05-29-2012 08:07 PM

Since you've already started w/epoxy yes, 1700 is the best for a staggered tabbing. I like your quote though, "false sense of fiberglass"....I must use that! lol


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