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buck35 10-12-2015 06:51 PM

epoxy hull?
 
As the title states I just found out my boat is an epoxy boat, what if anything does this mean in terms of care and maintenance, if any? Sorry this is probably a stupid question to most in the industry. :cartman:

Griff 10-12-2015 08:01 PM

How did you determine this????? I highly doubt a 1995 Fountain is an epoxy boat.

buck35 10-12-2015 08:18 PM

Rf 3 posted my pictures on his Facebook page , I asked for any info he said it was epoxy, started life with a Blackhawk drive .

tommymonza 10-12-2015 08:20 PM

Does it have gel-coat on it ? If it does I highly doubt it is a Epoxy resin layed up boat.

glassdave 10-12-2015 08:22 PM

I have to agree with griff, I would be very surprised if it is epoxy. was your boat a custom build for someone?

if it is epoxy, the biggest consideration is if you need to repair anything. It must be done with epoxy only and prep is critical. At that time builders were still experimenting with gel and epoxy so its possible. the super v that Wahoo had was an epoxy boat with gelcoat (that came off in sheets :picard1:

Kings11 10-12-2015 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4365458)
I have to agree with griff, I would be very surprised if it is epoxy. How did you make this determination?

if it is epoxy, the biggest consideration is if you need to repair anything. It must be done with epoxy only and prep is critical.

Boat images were put on Facebook by R3. He said it was an experimental epoxy boat with a blackhawk drive at the start of it's life. Bravo boat now I do believe if I followed the discussion on the image.

tommymonza 10-12-2015 08:27 PM

Dave have you ever seen a epoxy hull with gelcoat?

buck35 10-12-2015 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by Kings11 (Post 4365462)
Boat images were put on Facebook by R3. He said it was an experimental epoxy boat with a blackhawk drive at the start of it's life. Bravo boat now I do believe if I followed the discussion on the image.

Correct, you all know as much or more than likely a lot more than me .

glassdave 10-12-2015 08:29 PM

man you guys are fast I edited my first post and hafta do it again lol :D

tommymonza 10-12-2015 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4365465)
man you guys are fast I edited my first post and hafta do it again lol :D


drop the Dial -Up Dave We got this fancy thing called cable internet here in Florida.

glassdave 10-12-2015 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4365463)
Dave have you ever seen a epoxy hull with gelcoat?


yes, see my above edit . . . an it was a Fountain. Actually mid 90's to early 2000's there were a few builders trying to make it work.

buck35 10-12-2015 08:32 PM

I assume its gel a friend had a launch incident that left a pretty good scratch that we were able to buff out .

tommymonza 10-12-2015 08:37 PM

When I was up in the Outerbanks in 94 building the big wood epoxy Sportfishermans ,I bought a 16 foot Carolina skiff that had split the outside skin down the middle about 7 feet.

being I had easy access to epoxy I repaired it with that and a week later gelcoated it.

That did not go well .The gel didn;t seem to ever cure properly where it met the epoxy.

Ended up grinding the mess off and painting it.

glassdave 10-12-2015 08:41 PM

theres really not a whole lot in terms of use that would differ from a poly boat. its just when you need to repair it that it needs to be addressed.

tommymonza 10-12-2015 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4365474)
theres really not a whole lot in terms of use that would differ from a poly boat. its just when you need to repair it that it needs to be addressed.

What would be the advantage of a epoxy built boat ? if it is a foam core boat I could understand it having a better bond and shear strength over a vinyl ester boat but I am just guessing.

Fill us in Oh Wise One.

Please

buck35 10-12-2015 08:48 PM

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Ill try posting a pic again although ive had no success for quite a while. [ATTACH=CONFIG]546434[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]546434[/ATTyACH]
edit he did say you got a good one , maybe some not so much.

tommymonza 10-12-2015 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4365469)
yes, see my above edit . . . an it was a Fountain. Actually mid 90's to early 2000's there were a few builders trying to make it work.

So what seemed to be the problem , Trying to keep the shiny stuff sticking to the stuff that kept the water out ?

tommymonza 10-12-2015 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4365479)
Ill try posting a pic again although ive had no success for quite a while. [ATTACH=CONFIG]546434[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]546434[/ATTACH]

That is a Cool Azz boat Buck. And I am as Anti Fountain as they come

buck35 10-12-2015 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4365474)
theres really not a whole lot in terms of use that would differ from a poly boat. its just when you need to repair it that it needs to be addressed.

Thats sure good to know. Hopefully I have no major repairs in the future.

buck35 10-12-2015 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4365481)
That is a Cool Azz boat Buck. And I am as Anti Fountain as they come

Yeah I wasn't even boat shopping and it popped up on Craigslist a couple hundred miles away. Couple road trips to sea trial. Done !
side note , black is HOT! Lol

Griff 10-12-2015 09:06 PM

Cool boat!!! For a Fountain:lolhit:

I never knew you could use any gel over epoxy. I had always heard that gel didn't stick/bond to epoxy.

buck35 10-12-2015 09:24 PM

So.. is the epoxy stronger or lighter, both , neither, I new it was pretty unique when I first saw it .I guess more than I thought.

tommymonza 10-12-2015 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4365484)
Yeah I wasn't even boat shopping and it popped up on Craigslist a couple hundred miles away. Couple road trips to sea trial. Done !
side note , black is HOT! Lol

You couldn't live in a better place to own a black boat though. Here in Florida I could use it 3 times a year

Am I only seeing a single front seat ?

buck35 10-12-2015 10:17 PM

Just a poor angle, seats 5 comfortably.
It barely got below 100 the month of July, but its small enough that there's no reason burn your feet off on the bow.:cool-smiley-011:

glassdave 10-12-2015 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4365478)
What would be the advantage of a epoxy built boat ? if it is a foam core boat I could understand it having a better bond and shear strength over a vinyl ester boat but I am just guessing.

Fill us in Oh Wise One.

Please


epoxy gives the highest elongation but a good VE isnt that far behind. VE is epoxy but suspended in a styrene matrix (or something to that affect)

glassdave 10-12-2015 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4365496)
So.. is the epoxy stronger or lighter, both , neither, I new it was pretty unique when I first saw it .I guess more than I thought.


epoxy isnt lighter by volume but it allows you to take advantage of much higher physicals and build lighter and stronger at the same time. That is pretty cool that is a unique boat.

JRider 10-13-2015 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4365479)
Ill try posting a pic again although ive had no success for quite a while. [ATTACH=CONFIG]546434[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]546434[/ATTyACH]
edit he did say you got a good one , maybe some not so much.

looks like you have a rare boat!

buck35 10-13-2015 08:40 AM

Yes indeed, thank you. One of my the.cool things about it and I'm not sure if it was intended or a flaw is the layup underneath kind of shines through giving a faceted look although the surface itself is very smooth.

glassdave 10-13-2015 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4365586)
Yes indeed, thank you. One of my the.cool things about it and I'm not sure if it was intended or a flaw is the layup underneath kind of shines through giving a faceted look although the surface itself is very smooth.

that is whats known as "print through" and one of the good tell tales that it is an epoxy layup that was done properly (for that time period). Epoxy layups dont use mat or gelcoat in the stack and therefore dont have much along the way of print control, through time the fine surface fabric will show through the surface due to thermal cycling. I'm actually wondering now if your boat may have been done at Skater, its just a thought but Fountain was known to have a special project or two done in Douglas Mi :cool:

buck35 10-14-2015 09:46 AM

Thanks Dave!
And thank you Cole for pointing it out for my on r3s Facebook page. :ernaehrung004:

14 apache 10-24-2015 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4365484)
Yeah I wasn't even boat shopping and it popped up on Craigslist a couple hundred miles away. Couple road trips to sea trial. Done !
side note , black is HOT! Lol

Once you go black you don't come back!

Nice boat!


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