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315duramax 01-09-2014 06:27 PM

biggest bang for your buck
 
In ya'll experiences whats the biggest bang for your buck on a merc 454?

hotjava66 01-09-2014 06:36 PM

Stick of dynamite? :stooges:

Sydwayz 01-09-2014 06:36 PM

In regards to a 46' Skater? Are you going to put two on the transom, and one in each sponson?

baditude 01-09-2014 06:44 PM

Put a psi on it :evilb:

hotjava66 01-09-2014 06:57 PM

600 shot of nitrous?

Unlimited jd 01-09-2014 07:58 PM

Psi on top of a 14-71

endeavor1 01-09-2014 08:10 PM

I'd put a Turbo Encabulator on it and hang the F on:cartman:



http://youtu.be/rLDgQg6bq7o

phragle 01-09-2014 08:18 PM

nitromethane??

KRAUSMOTORSPORTS 01-14-2014 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4054855)
I'd put a Turbo Encabulator on it and hang the F on:cartman:



http://youtu.be/rLDgQg6bq7o

Perfect post of the year! How do you beat that comeback? Bikini thread doesn't count!!! Haha

mosi 01-14-2014 11:00 AM

I was really drunk the night I got 'the BIGGEST BANG' for my buck. A couple buddies have told me that it is not something I EVER want to brag about :(


.:poopoo:

mosi 01-14-2014 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by mosi (Post 4056752)
I was really drunk the night I got 'the BIGGEST BANG' for my buck. A couple buddies have told me that it is not something I EVER want to brag about :(


.:poopoo:


OH........ on a 454....
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......Please disregard the previous post:whistle:


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jvthundercat 01-14-2014 12:00 PM

Wow, you guys are ruthless.
To OP, what Gen 454?

f_inscreenname 01-14-2014 12:43 PM

Stroke it to a 496.

VoodooRob 01-14-2014 01:42 PM

496...497... whatever it takes

obnoxus 01-14-2014 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4054802)
In ya'll experiences whats the biggest bang for your buck on a merc 454?

Mag, or the 300 Hp?

I would say Heads if it has the peanut port

Cole2534 01-14-2014 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by mosi (Post 4056756)
OH........ on a 454....
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.
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......Please disregard the previous post:whistle:


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Sounds like your bang was a 454...lbs...

johnnyboatman 01-14-2014 09:54 PM

I think you guys ran him off

mike tkach 01-15-2014 07:01 AM

i think he is buisy towing a boat crosscountry.

Crude Intentions 01-15-2014 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4057214)
i think he is buisy towing a boat crosscountry.

Nope fixing up the cig that has 402s with 496s

regalman4925 01-16-2014 10:23 AM

if its a cast internal stroke it to 489/496, if its a gen 4or 5 loose the heads, if its a gen 6 the heads can do more than you might think and if its a mag boost it

315duramax 01-16-2014 12:37 PM

I'm not a big motor guy that's why I ask. It has 420hp that is supposedly "stroked to a 496 with big port heads" as the sellers mechanic told me. I know the boat as is should run low 60's but I want to get as much out of it as I can with not going to blowers or EFI motors. I know I can pick up a few MPH with bravo's and about 1-2 mph with sanding the last 6-8' with 180 grit but I didn't know like maybe swapping the intake or carb set up would do anything big and if so like what intake and carb. Etc

315duramax 01-16-2014 12:38 PM

Motors are from an 89 cig

Griff 01-16-2014 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4054802)
In ya'll experiences whats the biggest bang for your buck on a merc 454?

That would depend entirely on how many bucks you are ready to spend.
You need to know what internals you have in them before you formulate a plan to increase hp.
If you're not tready to spend 3k an engine minimum then its a waste of $$$

Sunrocket24 01-16-2014 02:52 PM

He picked up the 89 Cafe Racer with a 420/TRS package in it. There are posts on it in the Cig section

Sydwayz 01-16-2014 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4058011)
I'm not a big motor guy that's why I ask. It has 420hp that is supposedly "stroked to a 496 with big port heads" as the sellers mechanic told me. I know the boat as is should run low 60's but I want to get as much out of it as I can with not going to blowers or EFI motors. I know I can pick up a few MPH with bravo's and about 1-2 mph with sanding the last 6-8' with 180 grit but I didn't know like maybe swapping the intake or carb set up would do anything big and if so like what intake and carb. Etc

Make sure you throw all the trash, corn cobs, aluminum cans, and other items out of the boat. That ought to ensure you pick up a few MPH.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...fs_patrol.html

315duramax 01-16-2014 08:39 PM

man, dont yall have jobs or something? you really have too much time on your hands...

and Griff, what about upgrading a carb/intake set up?
or what drive/ratio/props could i expect to pick up a few MPH from?

hotjava66 01-16-2014 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4058292)
man, dont yall have jobs or something? you really have too much time on your hands...

and Griff, what about upgrading a carb/intake set up?
or what drive/ratio/props could i expect to pick up a few MPH from?

Griff was telling you straight when he said 3k a side for any noticeable gains. Gonna need another 20-30hp minimum for every MPH gained not going to get that on an intake swap.

Craney 01-16-2014 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 4058260)
Make sure you throw all the trash, corn cobs, aluminum cans, and other items out of the boat. That ought to ensure you pick up a few MPH.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...fs_patrol.html

Look who has to much time on their hands.

315duramax 01-16-2014 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Craney (Post 4058327)
Look who has to much time on their hands.

lol it was a boring friday night, too many beers with my buddies, who hasnt haha besides the point

glassdave 01-16-2014 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4058292)
man, dont yall have jobs or something? you really have too much time on your hands...

and Griff, what about upgrading a carb/intake set up?
or what drive/ratio/props could i expect to pick up a few MPH from?

you wont find much performance gains from drives or props without adding hp first. these are areas that are typically tuned to a specific engine. most bigger heavy V's run 1:50 drive ratios and thats most likely what you have. props, you have to play with but B1's are a good place to start unless you have an old school deeper X dim.

315duramax 01-16-2014 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4058356)
you wont find much performance gains from drives or props without adding hp first. these are areas that are typically tuned to a specific engine. most bigger heavy V's run 1:50 drive ratios and thats most likely what you have. props, you have to play with but B1's are a good place to start unless you have an old school deeper X dim.

good to know. thanks. dave clear your inbox about your motors

glassdave 01-16-2014 09:58 PM

should have been fine but I just cleared a few out anyway.

Full Force 01-16-2014 10:14 PM

Mechanic looked at it and said it had 454 stroked to 496's lol he must be able to see inside.....

Griff 01-17-2014 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4058292)
man, dont yall have jobs or something? you really have too much time on your hands...

and Griff, what about upgrading a carb/intake set up?
or what drive/ratio/props could i expect to pick up a few MPH from?

The 420's already have good carbs and intakes and exhaust. Unless you want to tear the engines down, there really is not much to do.
It will take 15-20hp per engine increases to see a 1mph gain
Test the boat in the Spring and get accurate gps speeds and rpms and then talk to BBlades about having the props labbed.
You have to have good baselines before you start changing stuff.

motor 01-17-2014 05:52 AM

If I'm not mistaken ,the old 420 mercs had just regular cast iron crap for exhaust. Good exhaust and a cam swap will wake up a 420. Preferably hydraulic roller with true headers

Full Force 01-17-2014 06:34 AM

35 Cig TRS with 420's will run 60-62 if engines run good....

Unlimited jd 01-17-2014 07:00 AM

420's had Gil exhaust.

glassdave 01-17-2014 10:41 AM

The 420's i have seen had giant iron castings that flowed better but weighed a ton, this boat appears to have Stainless Marine castings.

315duramax 01-17-2014 12:07 PM

All great info. Thanks guys. I really want to do arnesons on this cause I haven't seen a cafe with surface drives before. Might be doing big motors in it but we'll see. I will be happy if I can get the boat to 65

jbraun2828 01-17-2014 12:44 PM

You want to put arneson's on a 60mph boat?


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