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gary gray 10-02-2014 08:26 PM

540ci mpi blower motor no power or throttle response
 
Looking for some help. I'll try make this as short as I can, but I'll give you the run down. I have a 540ci mpi blower motor. This is a fresh rebuild due to it running lean from previous owner not installing a 2 bar map sensor. Before motor was rebuilt it ran great with the exception of it running lean and burning up a piston. So after rebuild I sent the mefi 3 ecm to Tyler crockett to do the mapping on it to make sure we were good on that end. Once the motor was installed I fired it up, set it to 8 degrees timing as specified by tyler and set the fuel pressure to 50 psi. Motor started, ran great on the trailer, great throttle response and thought I was good to go. I let it run on the trailer for about 10-15 minutes while checking over everything. Shut it off and was going to go for a ride. After about 15 more minutes I went to start it back up just to double check everything and it would not start unless I held throttle 3/4 of the way open and could not get it to idle unless I unplugged map sensor. I replaced map sensor with a new one and I am now able to get it started and idle but has no power under load and bad throttle response. Almost feels like it is a fuel or timing problem but fuel pressure is still at 50 psi running and timing is still at 8 degress. Injectors are 56lb injectors and we're flow tested and cleaned during rebuild. Any suggestions or things I should double check. I do have a code reader and there were no codes flashing. Any help would be great. Thanks

F-2 Speedy 10-02-2014 08:40 PM

This sounds like another injector cleaning issue, but 56 lb injectors on a 540 blower application ??, Im sure the blower guys will chime in

gary gray 10-02-2014 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by 33outlawsst (Post 4196634)
This sounds like another injector cleaning issue, but 56 lb injectors on a 540 blower application ??, Im sure the blower guys will chime in

I was told I only needed 50lbs. Sounds low to me to but should still at least run.

F-2 Speedy 10-02-2014 08:53 PM

explain more about the motor, type of injection and blower

gary gray 10-02-2014 09:02 PM

It's a merc mag mpi injection system with a mefi 3 ecm. Has a vortech centrifugal with 5 -6 lbs of boost. Aeromotive ajustable fuel regulator mounted on return side. Canfield aluminum heads and cmi headers. I have also sent the ecm back to Tyler just to have him recheck it and he says it's fine out that end. Just was wondering if there's anything in per tickler I should be checking before I start replacing parts.

TooLateVTEC 10-02-2014 09:38 PM

Try lowering the fuel pressure?

Since youve replaced the MAP, do you still need to open the throttle way up to get it to start?

When you do that, you're putting it in 'flood clear' mode, which means its firing the ignition but not the injectors.

GPM 10-02-2014 09:43 PM

What is the HP of this motor ? is it a boost referenced regulator ? what fuel pump are you running ?

gary gray 10-03-2014 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 4196672)
What is the HP of this motor ? is it a boost referenced regulator ? what fuel pump are you running ?

Now that I did replace the map sensor it will start without without giving it throttle, after 2 or 3 times. It usually will start then stall and about the third time it will idle. I did try to lower fuel pressure and it didn't seem to help. It is a boost reference regulator. The pump is a aeromotive a1000 pump, horsepower estimated at 800-850. What I don't get is on initial start up after rebuild it seem to run find, then after shutting it done once I looked it over it all went to crap.

stimleck 10-03-2014 06:17 AM

Per tickler? i resemble that comment

Originally Posted by gary gray (Post 4196655)
It's a merc mag mpi injection system with a mefi 3 ecm. Has a vortech centrifugal with 5 -6 lbs of boost. Aeromotive ajustable fuel regulator mounted on return side. Canfield aluminum heads and cmi headers. I have also sent the ecm back to Tyler just to have him recheck it and he says it's fine out that end. Just was wondering if there's anything in per tickler I should be checking before I start replacing parts.


ezstriper 10-03-2014 06:40 AM

Not the issue you are having here, but I don't think that merc EFI and your setup are going to work well at all....this has been around but you are way beyond the ability of that manifold with out lots of work..hopefully you changed the rails and completly redid the fuel lines/filter/etc and are using a return setup...

gary gray 10-03-2014 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4196743)
Not the issue you are having here, but I don't think that merc EFI and your setup are going to work well at all....this has been around but you are way beyond the ability of that manifold with out lots of work..hopefully you changed the rails and completly redid the fuel lines/filter/etc and are using a return setup...

Fuel lines have been redone, high flow filter,a return has been added and intake ported. But I do feel the same way about set up. Was thinking about going to a fast setup or just go carberated with a blow through. Anybody have experience with the fast setup in a marine application. Would still like to get this thing going in the mean time.

tunertech 10-06-2014 04:38 PM

not sure if you fixed your problem... Hopefully so,,, But you need someone with the right tools and know how to plug into it and tune it.

Quick2500 10-06-2014 07:20 PM

I have a fast system on my boat and I love it. Granted, I'm not supercharging mine, but for my NA application it's been a flawless performer.

FIXX 10-06-2014 10:24 PM

is your gauge showing vacuum at idle or even boost when you rev it..try taking the tube off at the throttle body to make sure your intercooler is not ruptured and spraying water into the throttle body..

sutphen 30 10-06-2014 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by gary gray (Post 4196723)
Now that I did replace the map sensor it will start without without giving it throttle, after 2 or 3 times. It usually will start then stall and about the third time it will idle. I did try to lower fuel pressure and it didn't seem to help. It is a boost reference regulator. The pump is a aeromotive a1000 pump, horsepower estimated at 800-850. What I don't get is on initial start up after rebuild it seem to run find, then after shutting it done once I looked it over it all went to crap.

try to start it again.if it starts,continue on,if it doesn't.stop and pull some plugs.find out if they're wet or dry.then we can go from there.
sounds like tuning,,in like in the boat tuning.
wet or dry exhaust?

hadleycat 10-21-2014 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4198700)
try to start it again.if it starts,continue on,if it doesn't.stop and pull some plugs.find out if they're wet or dry.then we can go from there.
sounds like tuning,,in like in the boat tuning.
wet or dry exhaust?

I was thinking the same thing, "in the boat tuning". Do you have any way to put on AFR gauge on it.

hadleycat 10-21-2014 06:43 PM

If it was mine I would take a look at the Holley HP controller. Will tune in the boat for you. Take a look at the Thread
"EFI for Everyone"

GPM 10-21-2014 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by gary gray (Post 4196806)
Fuel lines have been redone, high flow filter,a return has been added and intake ported. But I do feel the same way about set up. Was thinking about going to a fast setup or just go carberated with a blow through. Anybody have experience with the fast setup in a marine application. Would still like to get this thing going in the mean time.

We've had good luck luck with the Fast systems, the newer self tune works very well, it actually tunes while you're driving around, none of the stop and install the tune BS.


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