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Knot 4 Me 10-16-2015 10:57 AM

Be careful on removing factory hook or "wedges". You could end up with a porpoising machine.

I've had my boat knocked off of plane and the motor rev to the limiter on more than one occasion by a small twig getting caught in the trim ram lines or jammed up between the anti-cavitation plate and rams. It takes very little disruption in clean water flow to have a big impact on performance.

AllDodge 10-16-2015 12:42 PM

Still in the suggestion phase right now, don't know what would be best.

Here is the area that goes from the about an inch deep to the back.
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...psdcguspam.jpg

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...psbgvoeiiw.jpg

Jack up a bit
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...psoy06f7nc.jpg

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...psywzl8ibn.jpg

Starboard side
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...psltzf431m.jpg

The flaking is basically on the outside edge, the inside surfaces look pretty good

Griff 10-16-2015 01:01 PM

With that much hook, you are fighting a losing battle. I have never seen that much hook on any boat.

Pliant 10-16-2015 01:51 PM

I have the same built in tabs on a little 20' bow rider, using a high rake 4 blade its a bouncing betty at 25mph with no people in the boat... but at high speed the dam thing looks like a bass boat running down the river sitting on its tail riding very high in the water. Looking at that bottom im sure you will be pleased when you clean it up a gain of 5 mph is almost a given.... everything showing confirms to what your are experiencing. Just cut the bottom smooth with a orbital put a 3blade move some weight to the stern rake a quick test run and you might be very surprised.

apollard 10-19-2015 08:05 AM

Those look like built in wedges. If you remove them, you may find planing to be much more challenging and still not pick up speed. The PQ Legend has those, which is why it planes so fast and why it can hold plane at 12 mph. Much smaller boat, and probably doesn't need the wedges to plane, but the low planning speed is nice when you have kids.

There was a guy on here that removed the wedges from his Legend in a quest for speed. IIRC, he picked up around 2 mph on the top end. Then he dropped 700 hp in it, and still only went 75. Some hulls are fast, so will never be.

IMO, you need to get the bottom clean and smooth. I'd be surprised if you didn't pick up significant speed from that.

Knot 4 Me 10-19-2015 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by apollard (Post 4367778)
Those look like built in wedges. If you remove them, you may find planing to be much more challenging and still not pick up speed. The PQ Legend has those, which is why it planes so fast and why it can hold plane at 12 mph. Much smaller boat, and probably doesn't need the wedges to plane, but the low planning speed is nice when you have kids.

There was a guy on here that removed the wedges from his Legend in a quest for speed. IIRC, he picked up around 2 mph on the top end. Then he dropped 700 hp in it, and still only went 75. Some hulls are fast, so will never be.

IMO, you need to get the bottom clean and smooth. I'd be surprised if you didn't pick up significant speed from that.

Crownline has those wedges in their hulls too (the older 225's, 248's, 266's). Years ago I remember seeing a thread (possibly on the Crownline forum) where Bob Llyod of Full Throttle Marine removed the wedges on a 225 and the results weren't as expected and he recommended not removing them.

I.D.C.E. 10-19-2015 12:44 PM

http://www.formulaboatsforum.com/VBF...1&d=1424974590

Been there dreaming of a few mph hiding in bottom paint.. I shoulda had a handle bar stash and a funky hat because i felt like i was on mythbusters..... 0 gains from removing bottom paint that had a few layers and flakes in certain sections.


I also have the same hook in the back.

Polished, non waxed bottom showed nothing.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...83778352_o.jpg

I am dicking around with trying these Hill props but in the back of my mind I may still bolt on a Bravo 2 and same pitch I had before I did my repower to see where I really am. Key is to find a bravo 2 lower or even a later model good one without getting hurt too bad.

AllDodge 10-20-2015 02:36 PM

Received a response from Scott at Formula and tpenfiled (iboats thread) and agree these are wedges not hooks. Found out the method of blue printing the hull from Fun Times to remove the hook if there is one, but this would be a lot of work and I don't see the possibility of improvements. You know when I first put the boat in the water it had fresh paint and I doubt it all fell off on the first few runs.

That said, I'm looking into buying a new trailer for the boat which support it better and plan to do sanding and will see what happens new season

Edit: Oh my boat has never planed at 12mph, need to get it up to 28 or so to bring the bow over

Blueabyss 10-23-2015 01:48 PM

28 to get on plane in a cruiser...OMG... I agree 12 is lo but most will get on or hold at 18-20. That may be why the wedges are on there. Starting to sound like Formula found the worst possible formula for hull design ever. Not bashing your boat.. Trust me I have had some boats that tested me to...lol..

Chris

AllDodge 10-23-2015 03:09 PM

No bashing taken, It's a heavy boat for its size. The 28 is to get it to go totally on plane, I can get it to go slower and not be all nose up, but all I'm doing is burning a lot more gas and putting out a large wake.


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