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Tmaddox4x4 05-08-2017 09:38 AM

Blowers or aluminium heads and higher compression?
 
I got a pair of 420's that are due for a rebuild. If the heads check out I thought about throwing a set of small blowers on them. I'm only looking to make 500HP or so. Another route could be new aluminium heads and bump the compression a touch. I've never ran a blower, I have experience with turbos but not in a boat. Which one would be more reliable? Cost? Fuel efficiency? 311 Formula. We were going upgrade to bigger newer boat but wife can't let her go. Im getting a new truck instead. Lol

mike tkach 05-08-2017 09:46 AM

price wise i think it would be cheeper to reach your goals with a couple small blowers.the merc sc525 is a 454 with a small blower and every now and then these blowers come up for sale on oso.your goal can easily be reached with better heads and raised compression or superchargers but even the small blowers look cool.

dereknkathy 05-09-2017 05:55 AM

As long as they fit under the hatch...

Tahoe540 05-09-2017 08:20 AM

If you are rebuilding it is pretty easy to hit 500 HP on a single carb build with some decent heads, cam and valvetrain. Off the shelf pistons are cheap and plentiful to get the compression you want.

kreed 05-09-2017 08:27 AM

You need (2) 177 B+M blowers that came on the 525SC Merc engines. Single carb blowers that make about 550HP on a Merc 420... They are usually on here for sale in the swap shop.

getrdunn 05-10-2017 07:33 PM

I sold two extremely low hour merc 525 sc blowers, intakes and pulleys for 3k if recall. They were mint low hour. Just for a ref.

79formula 05-10-2017 07:44 PM

I had a merc 420 that I made into a 525sc. I had the ebay dart hp500 knock off intake. The blower is only about an inch taller. Anyways I did 2399 pistons, stock forged rods and crank. My heads were junk, so I picked up a set of HP500 rectangle port heads, the only difference was 2.25 vs 2.19 intake valves.

Heres the full list in a better order.

Block: Stock MK IV .060 over
Pistons: Speed Pro Forged 2399
Crank: GM Forged
Rods: GM Forged
Cam: Crane 134561 Flat Cam
Heads: HP500 Rectangle port
Valves: Manley Stainless intake with Inconel Exhaust
Springs:Crane 99896-16 springs
Rockers: Comp Ultra Pro MagnumXD
Blower: Weiand 177/ Merc525
Carb: 1050 Dominator
Exhaust: EMI Thunder.

It made 572hp @5600RPM, I dont remember the torque But I want to say over 600. I remember thinking while it was on the dyno that it could break a bravo on demand.
I have over 60 hours on the setup and it has performed perfectly. It starts easy. It idles well. I am really happy. It is thirsty though. I did gain 10mph over a 420.

Mr Maine 05-10-2017 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by 79formula (Post 4553175)
I had a merc 420 that I made into a 525sc. I had the ebay dart hp500 knock off intake. The blower is only about an inch taller. Anyways I did 2399 pistons, stock forged rods and crank. My heads were junk, so I picked up a set of HP500 rectangle port heads, the only difference was 2.25 vs 2.19 intake valves.

Heres the full list in a better order.

Block: Stock MK IV .060 over
Pistons: Speed Pro Forged 2399
Crank: GM Forged
Rods: GM Forged
Cam: Crane 134561 Flat Cam
Heads: HP500 Rectangle port
Valves: Manley Stainless intake with Inconel Exhaust
Springs:Crane 99896-16 springs
Rockers: Comp Ultra Pro MagnumXD
Blower: Weiand 177/ Merc525
Carb: 1050 Dominator
Exhaust: EMI Thunder.

It made 572hp @5600RPM, I dont remember the torque But I want to say over 600. I remember thinking while it was on the dyno that it could break a bravo on demand.
I have over 60 hours on the setup and it has performed perfectly. It starts easy. It idles well. I am really happy. It is thirsty though. I did gain 10mph over a 420.

Are you saying the blower setup is only an inch taller than a stock 420?

79formula 05-11-2017 02:21 PM

Yea, maybe 2 inches. I had both the HP500 intake with a holley carb and Spark arrestor vs the stock 525sc setup side by side on my workbench. I am not talking the stock weiand 420 manifold. Those were pretty low. I compared the HP500 higher style intake to the blower. The blowers manifold is no higher than the intake ports.

Mr Maine 05-11-2017 03:29 PM

Cool, i didnt think a 525sc would fit under the hatch of a 311 but maybe it will

79formula 05-11-2017 07:46 PM

I would bet it fits.

Originally Posted by Mr Maine (Post 4553382)
Cool, i didnt think a 525sc would fit under the hatch of a 311 but maybe it will


mike tkach 05-11-2017 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by 79formula (Post 4553175)
I had a merc 420 that I made into a 525sc. I had the ebay dart hp500 knock off intake. The blower is only about an inch taller. Anyways I did 2399 pistons, stock forged rods and crank. My heads were junk, so I picked up a set of HP500 rectangle port heads, the only difference was 2.25 vs 2.19 intake valves.

Heres the full list in a better order.

Block: Stock MK IV .060 over
Pistons: Speed Pro Forged 2399
Crank: GM Forged
Rods: GM Forged
Cam: Crane 134561 Flat Cam
Heads: HP500 Rectangle port
Valves: Manley Stainless intake with Inconel Exhaust
Springs:Crane 99896-16 springs
Rockers: Comp Ultra Pro MagnumXD
Blower: Weiand 177/ Merc525
Carb: 1050 Dominator
Exhaust: EMI Thunder.

It made 572hp @5600RPM, I dont remember the torque But I want to say over 600. I remember thinking while it was on the dyno that it could break a bravo on demand.
I have over 60 hours on the setup and it has performed perfectly. It starts easy. It idles well. I am really happy. It is thirsty though. I did gain 10mph over a 420.

i just installed one of these cam,s,plan on firing the engine in the am,does it have a rough sounding idle?

Baja Rooster 05-12-2017 12:03 PM

I'm strictly an internet mechanic, but the 240 blowers are the same height and you can turn them slower with less heat into the engines.

79formula 05-13-2017 08:13 AM

The cam sounds pretty healthy imo. Does not sound like a 900sc or other big power, but for sure healthier than a 454 mag.

Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4553495)
i just installed one of these cam,s,plan on firing the engine in the am,does it have a rough sounding idle?


79formula 05-13-2017 08:15 AM

All true. I went with the 525sc setup because it was merc. Plug and play. I knew accessories would bolt right up, thermostat housing would work, and jetting and boost would be right for a 454. It was just a super simple add on.

Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4553604)
I'm strictly an internet mechanic, but the 240 blowers are the same height and you can turn them slower with less heat into the engines.


ph1971 05-13-2017 06:31 PM

So, 79, how is the Bravo holding up? Any extra maintenance?

79formula 05-14-2017 08:26 PM

So far so good.

Originally Posted by ph1971 (Post 4553848)
So, 79, how is the Bravo holding up? Any extra maintenance?


getrdunn 05-21-2017 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4553495)
i just installed one of these cam,s,plan on firing the engine in the am,does it have a rough sounding idle?

Mike I built a couple 454/330 on roids deal years ago with these cams and lightening headers and they sounded pretty wicked. What CI is your engine?


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