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fou 02-28-2018 09:48 AM

swap 350 alpha to 454.
 
I have a Chris Craft 230 Scorpion SL Limited. I bought it has a project, soft floor and broken engine. The floor and stringers will be fix, it straight forward. I was going to rebuild the 350 has a 383 vortec with a few extra goodies to max out the alpha. But that would cost a few $$$ up here in Canada and the stock engine is a total lost, from carb to oil pan (sitting too long after hydro lock). I came across a complete 1990 7.4L 310hp with low hrs for 2k . It's was in the water last year and the guy bought the boat for the Bravo's. I can fire up the engine and do a comp test to it.
I've read so many post, lost of them do back down from it, but $$ talk and I will be gentile on it. Maybe a Bravo down the rd, but would like to have the boat in water this year!!!
What do I need, to bolt up that 7.4L to my Alpha? I will take all the parts that I can from it.
Thanks

phragle 02-28-2018 10:19 AM

You need the sift interupt, the cannon plug should be the same, it should bolt right in, Im guessing its thru hull exhaust? you will need to fill the old exhaust holes and cut new ones.

fou 02-28-2018 10:31 AM

it is Alpha exhaust, but will install silent choice on it.
Thanks

phragle 02-28-2018 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by fou (Post 4613067)
it is Alpha exhaust, but will install silent choice on it.
Thanks

Then you will need a Y pipe for a bbc to alpha, not sure how easy that will be to find

BUP 02-28-2018 02:10 PM

the Alpha and Bravo / small block to big block exhaust Y pipe is the exact same and same part number. So is the O ring gasket for that to seal at the inner transom assembly exhaust outlet.

Unlimited jd 02-28-2018 05:10 PM

Using the stock manifolds, 4” hose will make it from a bbc to sbc transom holes.

phragle 02-28-2018 06:01 PM

good to know.... for some reason I always thought it was different......

boomer 03-01-2018 08:58 AM

That combination was only offered for one year it will eat up the alpha, so be very careful on getting on plane each time.

fou 03-01-2018 11:20 AM

Thanks for the info. I know the alpha is not made for the 454... I will be gentil until I can find a deal on a bravo drive.

cigrocket 03-01-2018 11:34 AM

Alpha's are cheap enough to find, have a spare. You can get a SEII knock off with a warranty too. Good luck with your project!

masi242 03-01-2018 06:27 PM

I know my Formula 242 has the 454/alpha and i have had it 17 years easy out of the hole and you'll be fine. Go for it.

f_inscreenname 03-01-2018 11:17 PM

I use a Mark IV BBC roller stroker motor (496) in front of my Volvo Penta so it can be done with a Alpha. Like Masi said, easy out of the hole and no jerking on the throttle stick. Also change to gear oil with some thing good.

CC230 03-02-2018 12:17 PM

fou,
I have an '87 CC 230 Limited, love the boat, engine lost a valve (540hrs) after pulling the engine I found the bulkhead behind the gas tank that got soft, all else is good. I'm going to pull the tank while I'm at it just to be safe.
I built a 383 with Bob Maderas help, should push the boat nicely. I will be using the alpha also, and I do have a spare, as everyone has said, be easy on it and see how it goes.
Have fun!

fou 03-03-2018 07:25 PM

I plan on saving some weight by swapping the exhaust manifolds for aluminum ones. It should be about 100lbs less and I'm too far form salt water...

LCexplorer 03-12-2018 03:39 AM

I had a 454 Magnum/Alpha combo in a 1987 268 Sea Ray cabin cruiser, the Alpha had special upper gears in a 1.32 gear ratio and casting mods to the upper housing, made to stand up to the 454 which was 330 hp in 1987.

That original Alpha stood up to the 454 for the next couple of years like a champ (about 150 hrs) until I hit a log, it would do 40 mph no problems and would get on plane easily. I got it rebuilt lasted 5 hours, put on a new one it lasted one season almost (like 40 hours), rebuilt 12 hrs. I put on a 1.5 Gear ratio V8 alpha drive almost got 2 seasons out of it (about 100 hours). Then I swapped to a 7.3L diesel with a Bravo 3, no problems with the outdrive since.

Moral of the story it will work but you will definitely find the shortcomings of the Alpha outdrive in very short order with any hint of abuse. Hit anything underwater, it's scrap. Jump a wave, hello broken lower Pinion gear. Hammer the throttle, dealer's choice upper gear set or lower pinion again.

NHGuy 03-13-2018 10:37 AM

The shift interrupt from the Alpha will still work. You will have to get big block manifolds so shop them together with the switchable exhaust you are considering.
The distributor is the same, and the ignition control module should work the same. The module can be identified by it's application and advance. Example: it will probably say V8 24, meaning it was installed to your 350 V8 and has 24 degrees advance. This will work in a stock 454, I think they run that advance in Bravo controllers too.

I think the less weight of your boat will allow the Alpha to live longer than LC's 26'8" SeaRay cabin boat.
Masi is a good example.
I am 2 years in to a 383 in front of an Alpha and I never boot it out of the hole. My Formula is the next size smaller than Masi's. It probably has some more horsepower, but it has similar or less torque. My boat weighs less and has 2 degrees less deadrise than his, so I am optimistic for a good amount of service from my drive.
One thing I did when I installed the 383 was to put high quality gear lube in the drive. I used Amsoil Severe Gear. Haven't had problems.

LCexplorer 03-15-2018 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by NHGuy (Post 4615704)
I think the less weight of your boat will allow the Alpha to live longer than LC's 26'8" SeaRay cabin boat.
Masi is a good example.

NHGuy is probably right as I had another factory Alpha 454 set up in a 21' Chris craft Scorpion that I got on trade, it lasted 2 seasons that I had it and the guy I sold it to ran it for another 10 years without issue before rebuilding the drive. I did stress to the buyer changing outdrive oil with a good oil (I used Quicksilver HD) every 50 hrs is a very good idea, especially if he was throttle happy. This was mainly to check the oil condition and to make sure the oil level level was correct.

If I still had an Alpha 454 set up, one thing I would probably run is a outdrive shower/cooler. I have never seen seen as much discoloration on the outside of an outdrive upper housing than these 454 Alpha set ups which leads me to believe there was a lot of heat generated in the uppers. It's probably the reason I had to change the oil so much, now I think about it an inboard outdrive gear lube monitor would also be a good idea to keep the gear oil topped up.

CDShack 03-15-2018 03:19 PM

I've been told the max horsepower of the Alpha was 300hp, and that the gear change for the BBC was to use a tougher/thicker gear to cover the 330hp needed while they finished development on the Bravo. I ran a 260hp Merc in a 21' walkthru on an Alpha for several years, then built a blower motor (SBC) for it, nothing too crazy, but likely 400+hp. Year one I blew the lower unit gears pulling skiers. Year two I blew the upper box gear set. Year three a guy wanted it a whole lot more than I did, and it went bye bye. Some live under bigger horsepower, some don't for some reason. But my experience myself and friends at that time was if you put fairly decent power through them, they will give it up.

NHGuy 03-18-2018 06:57 AM

Thinking of how I pull up skiers with full power. I'm not surprised that a supercharger lunched an Alpha.


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