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fastmcars 08-19-2018 06:04 PM

525 efi issue
 
So here is the story: I have a 2008 formula 353 with twin 525 efi. The one motor stopped running, and wouldn't start up again. My vessel view came up with a code crank/cam sensor. Because it wouldn't fire, I assumed it was the crank sensor. I bought a new crank sensor through gm. It still wouldn't fire. So I moved the crank sensor and cam sensor from the good motor to the bad motor. Fired up and ran at idle for about 5 minutes. I turned it off, celebrated, and started to clean up. Then I tried to start again, wouldn't fire. I took the crank and cam sensor from the bad motor and put it in the good motor, fired right up, multiple times.
Any ideas?
I have heard that those sensors are on a 5 volt reference loop. A friend of mine, with an 8.1 suburban, had a similar problem that was throwing a crank sensor warning, but it turned out to be another sensor on that same 5 volt loop.
HELP!!!! Thanks

VoodooRob 08-20-2018 07:19 AM

On our 525 boat the oil drive / cam sensor was the problem. Sometimes the crank sensor shows up because of a no start or slow start condition. Have you scanned with a Rinda? If you want to stay on top of your 525s get one. It will save you time and money.

VoodooRob 08-20-2018 07:21 AM

Also when doing sensors or electrics on Merc Race engines its tempting to buy GM equivalents, pay the few extra $ and get Mercury brand.

fastmcars 08-21-2018 06:59 AM

What I would like is to get is my hands on a wiring diagram. Yes, the sensors are mercury,

BUP 08-21-2018 03:26 PM

first and foremost you need to post your engine serial numbers.

Early 525 where set up differently than later ones for a jist of info. This all goes by engine serial numbers - year model means nothing for marine engine apps.

Also there is issues with the wiring harness per certain engine serial number segments

fastmcars 08-21-2018 10:00 PM

OM959462 bad one, OM959462 good one

BUP 08-21-2018 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by fastmcars (Post 4645098)
OM959462 bad one, OM959462 good one

Haha 2 engines with the same serial number. Oh I do not miss to much.

fastmcars 08-22-2018 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by fastmcars (Post 4645098)
OM959462 bad one, OM959462 good one

OM959835 good one. The problem is eating dinner after 13 hr work day and typing.

fastmcars 08-26-2018 07:30 AM

The saga continues. I put the computer from the good motor on to the bad motor, it fired up and ran. Then after starting 3 more times, it wouldn't start. Put the computer back on the good motor, it worked fine. Checked fuel pressure, ok. Next check firing of plugs .

IGetWet 08-26-2018 07:56 AM

Well you proved it’s not the computer then. The Rinda will help you narrrow it down. The smart craft doesn’t always point to the exact problem/sensor.

BUP 08-26-2018 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by fastmcars (Post 4645716)
The saga continues. I put the computer from the good motor on to the bad motor, it fired up and ran. Then after starting 3 more times, it wouldn't start. Put the computer back on the good motor, it worked fine. Checked fuel pressure, ok. Next check firing of plugs .

Even thou I am getting into ECM / PCM repair more and more by the day - never ever take a KNOWN good computer and put it on a bad engine - always take the bad running engine computer and put it a known good running engine. WHy would one do this ---- because you are not putting the known GOOD ECM at risk. Hate to see owners cause their own headaches. The tip for the day and possible saving boat owners ECMs / PCM s.

BUP 08-26-2018 04:05 PM

try unpluging the water pressure sensor - did your problem go away ? IF not plug that back in and see if that help but before check out the connection / connector real well. If problem still exists -- NEXT unplug your fuel pressure sensor - did problem go away ? Check connections and connector - plug back in - does problem still exists ?

fastmcars 08-27-2018 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4645761)
try unpluging the water pressure sensor - did your problem go away ? IF not plug that back in and see if that help but before check out the connection / connector real well. If problem still exists -- NEXT unplug your fuel pressure sensor - did problem go away ? Check connections and connector - plug back in - does problem still exists ?

Yes, that's my next step. After replacing batteries, the motor fired right up. It ran until about 140 degrees, shut off and never started again. I put fuel pressure gauge back on and had 40-45 psi. I think it must be a sensor that is heating up and then it shuts the motor off. It must not cool off for a long time.

fastmcars 09-02-2018 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by fastmcars (Post 4645836)
Yes, that's my next step. After replacing batteries, the motor fired right up. It ran until about 140 degrees, shut off and never started again. I put fuel pressure gauge back on and had 40-45 psi. I think it must be a sensor that is heating up and then it shuts the motor off. It must not cool off for a long time.

I meant "It MUST cool off for a long time".

BUP 09-06-2018 10:07 PM

Any updates here good or bad ?

fastmcars 09-10-2018 01:49 PM

Still digging. Going to buy Rinda and test sensors. Tried swapping things to no success.

AllDodge 09-10-2018 01:56 PM


I have heard that those sensors are on a 5 volt reference loop. A friend of mine, with an 8.1 suburban, had a similar problem that was throwing a crank sensor warning, but it turned out to be another sensor on that same 5 volt loop.
HELP!!!! Thanks
Have you checked for 5V on the sensors?
Check any one of them (water pressure or other) to see if you have a full 5V

fastmcars 09-10-2018 10:43 PM

Yes, 5 volts.


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