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Ryan00TJ 01-03-2019 09:58 AM

I would use Merc's spec and hone to .0035". I don't see any problems with that. Definately have the setup balanced.

Baja Rooster 01-03-2019 10:11 AM

It’s getting tougher to find really good machine shops these days especially for marine builds, and quickly realize why there’s maybe five in the nation that you can reliably count on. Teague, Eddie Young, etc. I know there’s gems here and there, but a lot of people are willing to crate their stuff up and send it rather than gamble locally. I have a really good local shop but have gotten more technical advice here on OSO.

regalman4925 01-03-2019 02:12 PM

I ran across this thread about balance that I found interesting. I never considered the weight of oil in balancing. I am not sure I agree with the shop on not needing to balance yet but I am getting a better understanding of what he is saying about it being theoretical. I have read a million threads on marine 454/mags and never heard of a failure due to balance which has me thinking about this even more. With all of that said, and correct me if I am wrong, pretty much any mercruiser black engine and gm crate engine probably has a pretty big window on balance and yet they do not seem to have issues. I am not saying that I am ruling out a balance job, I more want to understand this process than anything and figure out what is total overkill on a under 500hp application. I am going to buy a scale to see how close my pistons actually are to the old ones, purely out of curiosity at this point.

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-q/241310-balancing-pistons-how-much-too-much-3.html

BillK 01-03-2019 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by regalman4925 (Post 4666638)
mercruiser black engine and gm crate engine probably has a pretty big window on balance and yet they do not seem to have issues

I have never actually checked one after taking it apart but I would bet they are a lot closer than you think. Next on I get in I just might do it for conversation sake. It is time consuming but would be interesting to see.



Originally Posted by regalman4925 (Post 4666638)
is saying about it being theoretical.

I dont know if "theoretical" is the right word or not. It is based on known science accumulated over many years. A lot of engines that are going to be turning higher rpm are balanced slightly differently. Harley actually has three different bobweight percentages they recommend depending on the rpm range of the engine and they are significantly different. But they shake no matter what you do :)

If you want the absolutely smoothest running, longest lasting engine then you should have it balanced.

picklenjim 01-03-2019 10:46 PM

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regalman4925 01-03-2019 10:49 PM

That's not what the mercruiser manual says as my first post had in it. They are forged quicksilver labeled GM pistons that are the exact part number that mercruiser specs out. Am I looking at the wrong info?

regalman4925 01-03-2019 10:53 PM

The manual I am looking at is mercruiser technicians handbook 1997 gasoline 90-80653597

regalman4925 01-03-2019 10:55 PM

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picklenjim 01-04-2019 12:37 AM

IDK but doesn't seem right having .0025-.0037 but then a max over twice that at .0075. Look at the spec for the 7.4 next to it. .0018-.003 but yet max .0018. How does that work? I have seen obvious mistakes in these merc manuals before. Need to call whoever makes the pistons for verification.

Griff 01-04-2019 12:50 AM

Daly's is one of the best in the area. I have not used them for long time and never for marine. I used Charley's the last time I had anything done and that was quite a while ago.

If your manual is for 1997 gas engines which are EFI and run a 160* Tstat, the specs between those and older carb engines running a 140* Tstat could have some slight variance. I do not know for sure, but looking at picklejim's post (I can still go back and see it), that may be the case or Merc changed their specs.

I know the pistons in my 1993 454mag were TRW's


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