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Baja Rooster 08-14-2019 10:39 AM

New Arco 65050 alternator not charging
 
I’m not sure that this is quite new thread worthy, but here we go.

I put a brand new Arco 65050 75a alternator on when reinstalling the engine, and I’m only getting 11.5 bolts out of it. It seemed like it worked for a bit but was honestly more focused on the other vitals to notice, but I do remember having some good voltage for a little while.

I messaged Arco and they just said “Tighten the belt, dummy!” And so I got a 3’ pry bar and pulled on it until the thick mounts were bending and cinched her up. No difference.

Ill try putting the old 120a back on and test it and send this one back to Arco to bench test but if anyone has any thoughts I’d appreciate it.

It is charging three batteries but 75a should be plenty? I’m reading voltage off both the old dash gauge and the Holley handheld computer. When I put a meter directly on the lugs the first time voltage actually dropped when I gunned it.

underpsi68 08-14-2019 11:11 AM

If 3 batteries are low a 75amp alternator is not enough to charge them.

Wally 08-14-2019 11:27 AM

fist thing i'd do just to make sure you dont happen to have a dead cell in one of the batteries is only hook up one known good battery and see if it makes any difference.....then i would burp the motor above 1500-2000 rpm...some alternators (like the single wire type) need a certain rpm to activate the charging process...after that i'd try and take it to a local alternator repair facility to see if they can do a bench test of it...

ph1971 08-14-2019 12:52 PM

I would give them a phone call and speak with a tech. They helped me through an issue I had with over charging. There is a wire coming back to the internal regulator from the starter that I accidentally taped up in my loom and hadn’t connected. Doh! They are very helpful over the phone. Good luck

Baja Rooster 08-14-2019 01:33 PM

3 fairly new or brand new batteries, and they do take a charge. I charge them up to 12.7 at home then they drop to 11.5. At 11.5 I can watch on the Holley monitor it bounces around between 11.4-11.6 but never really drops below that even after an hour of running.

No local shops around to bench test it. I took it to oreillys and that was hilarious watching them try. To their credit the guy actually tried to sort it out. Never even made it to the test machine.

Ill do a few more troubleshooting ideas then then give them a call.

SB 08-14-2019 02:11 PM

Was this them ? :)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...87258e84a1.jpg

Baja Rooster 08-14-2019 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4702021)

I actually went into a CarQuest lately for wheel lugs for the trailer, and the dude actually busted out a real book and helped. #mindblown!

Baja Rooster 08-14-2019 10:57 PM

Would the canon plug have any effect on charging? Seems like it shouldn’t and just communicates with the dash, but tracing everything possible. I put an ohm meter on the ground lug and had great connection to all of the negative posts. Solid reading from the + lug to the starter as well. *shrug*

SB 08-15-2019 08:40 AM

Not sure, would have to check. It does have a purple wire hook-up though. Could be the turn on probably as purple wires are ign+12v.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3e9b6c7e35.jpg

F-2 Speedy 08-15-2019 08:45 AM

Do you have the large orange wire #8 or so from the alt. returning to the starter terminal where the Bat + feed hooks up ?

SB 08-15-2019 08:49 AM

http://www.marineengine.com/boat-for...1&d=1366634024

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...31529d148f.jpg

Baja Rooster 08-15-2019 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4702145)
Do you have the large orange wire #8 or so from the alt. returning to the starter terminal where the Bat + feed hooks up ?

Yes.

Baja Rooster 08-15-2019 09:06 AM

Theres two wires in the harness and I connected the red to red on the alternator and then the remaining two. The + and - lugs are pretty clearly marked.

Baja Rooster 08-15-2019 09:16 AM

The harness has a red with purple stripe and purple. I hooked up the red with stripe to red and purple to the other. Any chance those are backwards?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6ca4c64b1.jpeg

SB 08-15-2019 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4702155)


Theres two wires in the harness and I connected the red to red on the alternator and then the remaining two. The + and - lugs are pretty clearly marked.

Should be more than 2 wires in the alt harness. Did you look at the wiring pic you just put up ? It shows 4.
Red
Red/Purple
Orange
Black

Baja Rooster 08-15-2019 11:40 AM

Yep. The big red and black are pretty obvious. Full disclosure - I’m colorblind as ****. Most often I’ll send a pic to my girlfriend so she can tell me what I’m looking at. I just connect the two brightest wires together then the two darker wires together. Luckily I can tell the big red and black apart. :p

The Arco seems to be a solid little unit so I expect the issue lies somewhere within my retardedness.

Baja Rooster 08-16-2019 03:29 PM

Hopefully the GF steered me in the right direction with the colors;)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...afad83773.jpeg

Baja Rooster 08-19-2019 02:30 PM

Arco said to replace the belt as it’s probably glazed. Sound legit? Anyone know the cross reference for the 57-48122 belt? 48” 29/32” top. I’d like to grab one from the auto store today as I have time to dick with it. I’ve had no like cross referencing.

SB 08-19-2019 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4702755)
Anyone know the cross reference for the 57-48122 belt? 48” 29/32” top. I’d like to grab one from the auto store today as I have time to dick with it. I’ve had no like cross referencing.

If V Belt maybe/probably Gates 7480 Automotive XL V-Belt ??? The 7490 is 49.580 Outside Circumfrence.
Automotive XL V-Belt
  • Effective Length: 48 in.
  • Outside Circumference: 48.580 in.
  • Top Width: 0.410 in.
  • Angle: 36 deg
======================

BTW: Looking at your pic the wires we splied are different colors from each other. Orange to red. Blue to purple. So...hard for me to answer on that. From the pic I provided to the wiring diagram you have, that should be enough info for you.

Baja Rooster 08-19-2019 03:18 PM

DONT MAKE ME FIX MY OWN DAMN BOAT! :p

Thanks for the info, SB. :thumbup:

F-2 Speedy 08-19-2019 03:23 PM

Why do you think going from a 120 amp to a 70 is going to work ? did you tell Arco you were trying to charge 3 batteries,

AllDodge 08-19-2019 03:43 PM

So long as the draw of all 3 bats is not more then 70 amps, the ALT will charge all bats. The only issue is how long it will take. Start bats take a hit when motor is first started but after that the motor doesn't use that much.

I don't see it being the belt, I think its a wiring issue. A voltmeter will tell you what the issue is.

With motor not running, measure the post on the ALT as seen in the pic. Only one which will turn ON/OFF is the purple wire

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6e91c3da1d.jpg


Orange comes from the starter post thru a 90 amp fuse
Purple is Key ON
Red/Purple comes from the 50 amp breaker

Baja Rooster 08-19-2019 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4702762)
Why do you think going from a 120 amp to a 70 is going to work ? did you tell Arco you were trying to charge 3 batteries,

The 120a is a car unit that came on the boat. I switched that out to a 75a DB marine unit that corroded into a puddle of rust. The Arco vendor suggested this one. Even with the batteries disconnected I’m only getting 11.5 out of it.

F-2 Speedy 08-19-2019 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4702769)


The 120a is a car unit that came on the boat. I switched that out to a 75a DB marine unit that corroded into a puddle of rust. The Arco vendor suggested this one. Even with the batteries disconnected I’m only getting 11.5 out of it.

Then its defective or you have it hooked up wrong

Baja Rooster 08-22-2019 12:02 PM

Thanks for the pointers, AllDodge. A quick check showed that I had it hooked up correctly.

I may have found the issue(s). The boat is in a remote storage and a pain to work on especially with a hose. When I checked the output I believe that Arco May have been correct that the brand new belts were slipping but I had already yanked it off. When I put it back on it behaves a little differently but still not charging well.

So as I was yanking it off again the positive ring connector came with it. It looks as though there may have only been 2 or 3 strands still intact. Enough to pass a continuity test but effectively charging three batteries with a 22gauge wire. I had not rechecked the output since the first time as it’s such a pain where it is located.

All of the batteries are topped off via a charger and everything buttoned up and hopeful that was the issue. I’m not sure when I’ll get to put it to practice though yet.

Baja Rooster 08-23-2019 08:31 PM

Yup, those were the issues. Ham fisted shade tree hack with 20 year old wires. Steady 13.6 at a blip over idle. Thanks for the help as it all helped.


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