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caseyh 06-20-2014 09:55 PM

35zr with 496ho
 
What speeds are people See with 496ho's in a 08 35 ZR. Testing with a buddy and trying to compare numbers.

neva satisfied 06-21-2014 09:57 AM

You should be around 80-82 mph depending on fuel load. Keep in mind that the 35ZR likes a lot of trim.

Tom A. 06-23-2014 02:18 PM

That is a nice reliable package that should run low 80s.

jmeng 06-23-2014 02:31 PM

I did a bunch of research on these a few years ago. Common answer was 80 under perfect conditions but upper 70's was more realistic in summer heat and normal conditions.

caseyh 06-27-2014 05:00 PM

We only got 72 out of it. Now he never trimmed it way out like people are saying and we did find a bad connection on the fule pump.

Donzi Dude 06-28-2014 09:19 AM

I know of a 07 35zr with 525s for sale runs upper 80s every day with a heavy load and lower 90s in the right conditions

freshwaterfiend 08-07-2014 07:23 PM

I just tried this last week. 74.6 with a good amount of trim, in fresh water, calm, clean bottom, and 7/8 tank of fuel. Motors were right at 5000rpm. No way is it going to get anywhere near 80 even running on fumes on the standard props.

Any suggestions for props to get the top end higher?

Tom A. 08-11-2014 11:17 AM

In fresh water, you will never see 80mph.
My boat looses 5-8 mph in fresh water vs. salt.
That said, a slight chop will break the surface tension and maybe get you another mph or two.
I am not sure what the rpm limits are on those motors but I would think you could squeeze another 2-400 rpm with a slightly smaller prop.

freshwaterfiend 08-11-2014 11:16 PM

I'm calling Donzi to get the test sheet for the boat as a starting point.

Tom A. 08-12-2014 10:43 AM

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/donzi-35-zr

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/donz...-009-edition-0

freshwaterfiend 08-20-2014 02:14 PM

Ok got the test sheet. Apparently my boat was the 4th 35ZR built.

With 28 pitch Bravo 1's, the boat tested at 83.5mph at 5000rpm and cruised at 50.2mph at 3500rpm with 2 people on board. This was with a test weight of 8412lb including 75 gal of fuel on board (1/2 a tank).

According to the survey when I bought the boat, the props are now Bravo 1 30" pitch. I will confirm this next time I'm at the marina (boat is on a lift so it should be straightforward).

Currently performance isn't great. 4000rpm gets 50mph, and 5000rpm gets 74.6 with 7/8th tank of fuel and two people on board. The extra fuel would add about 300lb or so to the test weight. While this test was run in fresh water, we did test the boat in salt with 4 people and less fuel and performance was very similar - the heavier people load basically balanced out the fuel load.

The hull is clean, and I had all nicks taken out of the forward edges of the drives and skegs even though it was essentially cosmetic.

I think I will also check the toe-in on the drives as well.

Any other suggestions?

jmeng 08-21-2014 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by freshwaterfiend (Post 4174895)
Ok got the test sheet. Apparently my boat was the 4th 35ZR built.

With 28 pitch Bravo 1's, the boat tested at 83.5mph at 5000rpm and cruised at 50.2mph at 3500rpm with 2 people on board. This was with a test weight of 8412lb including 75 gal of fuel on board (1/2 a tank).

According to the survey when I bought the boat, the props are now Bravo 1 30" pitch. I will confirm this next time I'm at the marina (boat is on a lift so it should be straightforward).

Currently performance isn't great. 4000rpm gets 50mph, and 5000rpm gets 74.6 with 7/8th tank of fuel and two people on board. The extra fuel would add about 300lb or so to the test weight. While this test was run in fresh water, we did test the boat in salt with 4 people and less fuel and performance was very similar - the heavier people load basically balanced out the fuel load.

The hull is clean, and I had all nicks taken out of the forward edges of the drives and skegs even though it was essentially cosmetic.

I think I will also check the toe-in on the drives as well.

Any other suggestions?

I would put a brand new pair of 28 Bravo's on and run it. Not telling what was done to your 30's by the previous owner. Seen plenty of boats that didn't perform like they should because of crappy prop mods. Shouldn't be hard to find a loaner set.

freshwaterfiend 08-21-2014 09:25 AM

Exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for the advice.

RumBlur 08-25-2014 11:31 AM

jmeng is right. Put the factory 28's on and you will see 80. If it helps, mine does 50 @ 3,500, 60 @ 4,000, 70 @ 4,500, and 80 @ 5,050. I can show you 83.3 at the max, and cheating in every way. No fuel, no crap in the cabin, going down river, with the tide, with the wind. Mine is completely stock, stock, and stock. (2008). What I have learned is to wind it up, trim it out, and wait, and wait, and wait. Seems like it takes a minute or so to get that last 2 mph. As a caution, I have also seen a top of 77 on some days. Just a slight side breeze, or a strange current, and everything falls quickly. Oh, and I am convinced that new props make a difference. Once you ding them, forget about that last 2 mph. It' quite pickie: there is a certain spot on my river where is always goes faster, and you can feel it. Lastly, I am in fresh water. Good luck.

neva satisfied 08-25-2014 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by RumBlur (Post 4177429)
jmeng is right. Put the factory 28's on and you will see 80. If it helps, mine does 50 @ 3,500, 60 @ 4,000, 70 @ 4,500, and 80 @ 5,050. I can show you 83.3 at the max, and cheating in every way. No fuel, no crap in the cabin, going down river, with the tide, with the wind. Mine is completely stock, stock, and stock. (2008). What I have learned is to wind it up, trim it out, and wait, and wait, and wait. Seems like it takes a minute or so to get that last 2 mph. As a caution, I have also seen a top of 77 on some days. Just a slight side breeze, or a strange current, and everything falls quickly. Oh, and I am convinced that new props make a difference. Once you ding them, forget about that last 2 mph. It' quite pickie: there is a certain spot on my river where is always goes faster, and you can feel it. Lastly, I am in fresh water. Good luck.


Amen!!

Tom A. 08-25-2014 03:57 PM

All the ZR hulls need a couple of miles to squeeze out the last 2-5 mph!

freshwaterfiend 08-25-2014 08:23 PM

Ok I definitely didn't run it a couple of miles. Going to give it another shot on Wednesday with the current props but unfortunately its looking like we won't be able to try the 28's this season which sucks.

I have been corresponding with Chuck Wagner at Donzi customer service and he sent me a table of recommended props for the 35zr. This table was in effect at the end of production so the x dimension may have chanced since mine was built.

Anyways, for the 496ho's they recommend the 28" prop but they also list a labbed 30 as an optional upgrade. I think I'll give bblades a call to talk with them as well.

neva satisfied 08-26-2014 04:57 AM

I don't know from personal experience but I remember reading somewhere that some one was able to squeak a few more mph out with a set of Hearings.

freshwaterfiend 09-24-2014 04:05 PM

Ok, just heard from Double R. They tested out of the box fresh 30's and 32's on the boat. The 30's I have have been reworked they said - whether this was due to them getting dinged or not who knows.

With stock 30's they saw 5300rpm and with the stock 32's they saw just under 5000-ish. Boat speed was about 83mph. This is one person on board, fresh water, not a heck of a lot of fuel on board.

They are recommending Merc labbed 32's for best overall performance in a variety of conditions.

Just wanted to update everyone.

RumBlur 10-14-2014 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by RumBlur (Post 4177429)
jmeng is right. Put the factory 28's on and you will see 80. If it helps, mine does 50 @ 3,500, 60 @ 4,000, 70 @ 4,500, and 80 @ 5,050. I can show you 83.3 at the max, and cheating in every way. No fuel, no crap in the cabin, going down river, with the tide, with the wind. Mine is completely stock, stock, and stock. (2008). What I have learned is to wind it up, trim it out, and wait, and wait, and wait. Seems like it takes a minute or so to get that last 2 mph. As a caution, I have also seen a top of 77 on some days. Just a slight side breeze, or a strange current, and everything falls quickly. Oh, and I am convinced that new props make a difference. Once you ding them, forget about that last 2 mph. It' quite pickie: there is a certain spot on my river where is always goes faster, and you can feel it. Lastly, I am in fresh water. Good luck.


One other thing: the blades on the Bravos bend with each revolution of use, and eventually snap off. Start with a fresh factory set. I get about 150 hrs out of a set and then performance starts to diminish. At around 200 hrs, a blade disappears. Don't trim out too far or they really bend, and the life gets really short. Just my experience: I have 800 hrs on the whole boat. Good Luck!!

Captain YARRR 10-16-2014 08:14 AM

That's interesting. What kind of power you putting to them? Anyone else have this experience?

caseyh 03-26-2015 12:39 PM

after getting back on this the boat as some screwed up 28s on it. getting a pair of 30s to try this weekend. 2 other 35s with 496s in the area have seen over 80 with 5 blade hydromotives (spelling)

caseyh 03-26-2015 12:44 PM

Hooking up the merc computer to see actual rpm. The props on the boat are to small and is on the limiter.

caseyh 03-29-2015 09:10 PM

Hit 80 today on a set of 30s

Drew555 03-29-2015 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by Captain YARRR (Post 4204019)
That's interesting. What kind of power you putting to them? Anyone else have this experience?

They are probably labbed

jmeng 03-30-2015 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by caseyh (Post 4284183)
Hooking up the merc computer to see actual rpm. The props on the boat are to small and is on the limiter.

Whose Merc computer?

Tom A. 03-30-2015 03:02 PM

Can't wait to see the boat in Tickfaw!

mba1620 03-31-2015 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 4285816)
Can't wait to see the boat in Tickfaw!

Tom PM me your number and I will text you so we can connect and drink a beer. At somepoint I will have the boat brought to MidAtlantic then we can do some poker runs up here.

I will be flying in to NOLA on April 27th for the run. Let me know if you have any questions or help on your trip. Safe Travels!


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